The Trinity and the Incarnation

101G said:
@DavidTree,
civic said:
It can only have one possibility or option.

Since we know God created man in His image alone, in His likeness alone not the angels.

So the plural US, WE, OUR must mean God is Plural in Persons.

This is their achilles heal.


DavidTree: said
Furthermore:

“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?
But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:

“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”
And of the angels He says:

“Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire.”

“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
They will perish, but You remain;
And they will all grow old like a garment;
Like a cloak You will fold them up,
And they will be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not fail.”
But to which of the angels has He ever said:

“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?
Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?
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First let's understand the bible ... God's Holy Word and he, God himself.
#1 "So the plural US, WE, OUR must mean God is Plural in Persons". ... MUST MEAN? answer NO, not at Genesis chapter 1 when he made man........ 101G suggest you both read Genesis chapter 1 again. listen, Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
so, 101G has a question, how and when did God go from a US and OUR, (a plurality), verse 26, to a HE and HIS, (a singularity), verse 27.... and this is the very next verse. please enlighten us all.

but before you do, hear what the Lord Jesus has to say about this at Genesis 1:26 and 27. Matthew 19:1 "And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these sayings, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaea beyond Jordan;" Matthew 19:2 "And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there." Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"
so, God who made man is a "HE", a single person who made man male and female.... according to the Lord Jesus ... WHO CANNOT LIE, right. if the Lord Jesus say that God is a single person at Genesis 1... especially at verses 26 & 27 why are we counting what verse 26 say OVER WHAT the Lord Jesus says? he said, God is a HE, a single person who made man male and female in the beginning. again, did the Lord Jesus LIE? no, God forbid. well the next step is to BELIEVE the Lord Jesus who is God and go back to Genesis 1:26 and find out why the verse says US and OUR. can we agree here. or will you stick to your plurality of three persons mistake and deny the Lord Jesus and call him a liar? or will you find out why the plural US and OUR is at verse 26.

your choice gentleman's. one can sit in IGNORANCE or stand up and repent and in standing, in TRUTH in the LIGHT of the WISDOM and KNOWLEDGE of God, the we can KNOW why US and OUR is at Genesis 1:26. AMEN.

the ball is you all court.

101G.
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So God created man in #1 his own image, in the image of God created #2 he him; male and female created #3 he them."

YEP = PLURAL = 3
 
DavidTree said:
So God created man in #1 his own image, in the image of God created #2 he him; male and female created #3 he them."

YEP = PLURAL = 3
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(smile), don't try me that way .... ok. nope that ONLY "ONE". did you not hear the Lord Jesus? Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"

can the Lord Jesus lie? no, so how many is HE?

101G.
 
DavidTree said:
So God created man in #1 his own image, in the image of God created #2 he him; male and female created #3 he them."

YEP = PLURAL = 3
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since you want to be funny..... that's three God you have there. and by definition ... that's polytheism,.

101G
 
to all,
our brother DavidTree says it's three persons at Genesis 1:27. is there any other who support this assumption?

101G.
 
101G said:
(smile), don't try me that way .... ok. nope that ONLY "ONE". did you not hear the Lord Jesus? Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"

can the Lord Jesus lie? no, so how many is HE?

101G.
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And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said,
‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?
So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

Who is the HE that Jesus is referring to???
HE the FATHER
HE the SON
HE the HOLY SPIRIT

All THREE were present in Genesis chapter 1
 
Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"

101G.
 
@praise_yeshua,
do you believe what the Lord Jesus said?, Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"

do you really understand the dilemma of what the Lord Jesus is saying in contrast to Genesis 1:26, concerning HIS Plurality in TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK?

101G.
 
DavidTree said:
Gen 1:26 Then ELOHIM(Plural) said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness,
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do you not understand... all time is one time for God...... he was speaking prophetically of himself to come in flesh. understand, what is God IMAGE? man, which was to come. listen, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."

the IMAGE WAS TO COME. remember God is Spirit.

101G.
 
101G said:
do you not understand... all time is one time for God...... he was speaking prophetically of himself to come in flesh. understand, what is God IMAGE? man, which was to come. listen, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."

the IMAGE WAS TO COME. remember God is Spirit.

101G.
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@civic

QUESTION of the DAY:
Since God left Heaven to come to earth in the flesh;
'When Jesus was on earth, who then spoken from Heaven saying: "This is My Beloved Son in Whom I am well pleased." ???
 
Runningman said:
yep and what did Jesus say to the Jews in John 10:34? "You are elohim..."

John 10 (NIV)
34Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods” ’?
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Yes notice small g with an s at the end. God never has an s at the end.
 
Waylon said:
God the Father said it to God the Son. Three in one.

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another assumption. listen to the verse. Matthew 3:17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." the scripture states a Voice, not the Fathers, Holy Spirit .... it just said a voice. and angels speak from heaven. example when Abrahan was told by God to sacrifice his ONLY SON. an angel spoke from Heaven. scripture,
Genesis 22:10 "And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son." Genesis 22:11 "And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I." Genesis 22:12 "And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me." HOLD IT, STOP THE PRESS, what did the angel say? listen, "seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me". wait a second, the angel never commanded Abraham to sacrifice his ... ONLY BEGOTTEN SON... no, God did. but is was the angel speaking from ... "heaven" on God's behalf. the verse clearly states it was the angel ... "VOICE" from heaven that spoke.

and as for the Voice at the baptism, never assume anything..... KNOW. and if the bible never say it was the Father's Voice, then don't ASSUME, and ADD to God's Holy Word, that's spiritual suicide and the road to destruction,,,, so never, ever ASSUME anything, let the bible tell you. lets go on. "Genesis 22:13 "And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son." Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen."Genesis 22:15 "And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time," (WHERE DID THE ANGEL VOICE COME FROM? ... THAT'S RIGHT HEAVEN). Genesis 22:16 "And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:" (WAS THIS GOD SPEAKING OR THE ANGEL, answer, the ANGEL, on GOD'S BEHALF). Genesis 22:17 "That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;" Genesis 22:18 "And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.", when was this command, and WHO spoke to Abraham in this command? answer, Genesis 22:1 "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am." Genesis 22:2 "And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of."

so we can see that "a Voice" from heaven is not always God's VOICE, but conveys his "WORDS". so never assume anything unless the bible say so. for if we did not have the actual speaker from heaven identified, here in Genesis 22 we could ... "ASSUME" by the words spoken that it is the Father's voice. so by the guidance of the Holy Spirit we will not make this mistake of "ASSUMPTION". for when the Bible say a Voice, then we say a voice unless we're told who voice it is, (and the bible never did). so this MISTAKE of ASSUMPTION is corrected and exposed for what it is, a false ASSUMPTION.

101G
 
TomL said:
Genesis 1:1–26 (KJV 1900) — 1 IN the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. 6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. 9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. 20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. 24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Note God is plural starting at verse 1 and represented by a plural pronoun us verse 26

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Let us= Jehovah and his master worker( Prov 8:30)
In the next verse 27--God proceeded to create man in HIS( not ours)image.
 

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