Peterlag
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Not even one of those terms are found in the Bible.
The Trinity and the Incarnation
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These terms express what is taught in the Bible.
MTMattie
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YHWH
MTMattie
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Do not invoke KJV ... any translation... to me.
As to OT or New... the NWT does have the old as well....
Yes they do, a corrected OT from trinity translations--Example--I am that i am does not translate from Hebrew to English-i will be what i will be is correct.
MTMattie
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So we have the Hebrew written as אני הוא מה שאני in Exodus 3:14
We have the Sefria/Torah Translation as....
Moses said to God, “When I come to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers’ [house] has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is [God’s] name?’ what shall I say to them?”
וַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־מֹשֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם׃
And God said to Moses, “Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh,” continuing, “Thus shall you say to the Israelites, ‘Ehyeh sent me to you.’”
וַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־מֹשֶׁ֗ה כֹּֽה־תֹאמַר֮ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵאלֹהֵ֥י יַעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר׃
And God said further to Moses, “Thus shall you speak to the Israelites: יהוה, the God of your fathers’ [house]—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you:
This shall be My name forever,
This My appellation for all eternity.
לֵ֣ךְ וְאָֽסַפְתָּ֞ אֶת־זִקְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֗ל וְאָמַרְתָּ֤ אֲלֵהֶם֙ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֤י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶם֙ נִרְאָ֣ה אֵלַ֔י אֱלֹהֵ֧י אַבְרָהָ֛ם יִצְחָ֥ק וְיַעֲקֹ֖ב לֵאמֹ֑ר פָּקֹ֤ד פָּקַ֙דְתִּי֙ אֶתְכֶ֔ם וְאֶת־הֶעָשׂ֥וּי לָכֶ֖ם בְּמִצְרָֽיִם׃
“Go and assemble the elders of Israel and say to them: יהוה, the God of your fathers’ [house]—the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob—has appeared to me and said, ‘I have taken note of you and of what is being done to you in Egypt,
And we are told by WIKI "Ehyeh" is a Hebrew word that translates to "I am" or "I will be." It is used in the Bible, particularly in Exodus 3:14, where God reveals His name to Moses.
So you are partially correct .... as far as you go.....either is correct..........................
So is
"I Am that I Am" is a common English translation of the Hebrew phrase אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה (’ehye ’ăšer ’ehye; pronounced [ʔehˈje ʔaˈʃer ʔehˈje])– also "I am who (I) am", "I will become what I choose to become", "I am what I am", "I will be what I will be", "I create what(ever) I create", or "I am the Existing One".
So if NWT is using I will be it is incomplete and still a not trustworthy source.
Next example.
Peterlag
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Names are not living creatures. Names are titles and they are not living things. The devil got you to believe this nonsense without you even thinking it through.
Maybe you can clarify what you mean. I recognize that is a tall order.
Are you saying Peterlag is not a living creature due to some disconnect from what someone calls you -- as if you would not respond to someone yelling "peterlag" while chasing you down the hall? (Replace "peterlag" with your real name if that is necessary to make the idea properly fit who you are.)
So far it seems like your tactic is like Bill Clinton saying "it depends what the meaning of 'is' is"
MTMattie
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The name of Jesus was not a living creature? HUH? The name of Jesus is a title and not a living thing? Silly rabbit... I bet you dont think Trix are for kids either.
The devil got me thinking this nonsense?... then the devil inspired much of the bible.....
And dont call him the devil... title.
Dont call him Satan... title.
Call him by what God originally did. Lucifer.
You know @Peterlag... this is one of those times that I do believe you spout nonsense just to hear your self think or to build up your thread count.
You made statements here that are totally silly and superfluous , and for what reason?
I cannot even guess at that one.
Peterlag
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Silly of Peterlag to post this. He does not even begin to debate anything. When there are facts he does not like, he shifts to posting lists of points by scholars taken out of context.
The Hebrew scholars say no it does not translate-i am.
Wiki is assuredly quoting error trinity thinking.
MTMattie
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I disagree
Runningman
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Next time try agreeing with the Father being the only one who is taught to be worshipped in spirit and truth.
No.
Runningman
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Yes.
I still won't.
I like to let the Word do the teaching.
26 God said, Let Us [Father, Son, and Holy Spirit] make mankind in Our image, after Our likeness, and let them have complete authority over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the [tame] beasts, and over all of the earth, and over everything that creeps upon the earth.
27 So God created man in His own image, in the image and likeness of God He created him; male and female He created them. [Col. 3:9, 10; James 3:8, 9.]
When You send forth Your Spirit and give them breath, they are created, and You replenish the face of the ground. Ps 104:30.
[But] in the last of these days He has spoken to us in [the person of a] Son, Whom He appointed Heir and lawful Owner of all things, also by and through Whom He created the worlds and the reaches of space and the ages of time [He made, produced, built, operated, and arranged them in order]. Heb 1:2.
By faith we understand that the worlds [during the successive ages] were framed (fashioned, put in order, and equipped for their intended purpose) by the word [Jesus] of God, so that what we see was not made out of things which are visible. Heb 11:3.
9 Do not lie to one another, for you have stripped off the old (unregenerate) self with its evil practices,
10 And have clothed yourselves with the new [spiritual self], which is [ever in the process of being] renewed and remolded into [fuller and more perfect knowledge upon] knowledge after the image (the likeness) of Him Who created it. Col 3:9–10.
26 God said, Let Us [Father, Son, and Holy Spirit] make mankind in Our image, after Our likeness, and let them have complete authority over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the [tame] beasts, and over all of the earth, and over everything that creeps upon the earth.
27 So God created man in His own image, in the image and likeness of God He created him; male and female He created them. [Col. 3:9, 10; James 3:8, 9.]
When You send forth Your Spirit and give them breath, they are created, and You replenish the face of the ground. Ps 104:30.
[But] in the last of these days He has spoken to us in [the person of a] Son, Whom He appointed Heir and lawful Owner of all things, also by and through Whom He created the worlds and the reaches of space and the ages of time [He made, produced, built, operated, and arranged them in order]. Heb 1:2.
By faith we understand that the worlds [during the successive ages] were framed (fashioned, put in order, and equipped for their intended purpose) by the word [Jesus] of God, so that what we see was not made out of things which are visible. Heb 11:3.
9 Do not lie to one another, for you have stripped off the old (unregenerate) self with its evil practices,
10 And have clothed yourselves with the new [spiritual self], which is [ever in the process of being] renewed and remolded into [fuller and more perfect knowledge upon] knowledge after the image (the likeness) of Him Who created it. Col 3:9–10.
Runningman
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One thing we should not do is add to what the Bible says. It doesn't mention God being defined as "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit"
Did you notice verse 27 says God is a His and a He? Means He is a singular person. Elohim in this context doesn't refer to numerical plurality, hence God is referred to as a His and He and never a they or them in the entire Bible.
Begin there and we'll see about clearing up your other errors.
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