The Trinity The Touchstone of Truth

[dwight92070]

Lets take this one step at a time.

#1. Who Sits on the throne? scripture, Revelation 4:2 "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne." Revelation 4:3 "And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald."

so, we hear that ONLY ONE sits on the throne. question, "Who sits on the throne according the scriptures in Revelation 4:2 & 3. is it the one whom you call the Father or the the One whom you call the Son". your answer please.

101G.

The one who sits on the throne is the Father.

Now it's your turn.

Who is sitting on the throne in Revelation 22:1 and Rev. 22:3?

"Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from THE THRONE OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB, ..." Rev. 22:1
"There will no longer be any curse; and THE THRONE OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB will be in it, and HIS bondservants will serve HIM."

Notice there in ONLY ONE THRONE, but two "persons" are on it and they are called "HIM".

So who is sitting on this throne? Your answer please.

 

[Keiw1]

please look up what right hand means, it's an anthropomorphism statement ..... hello!


and K, it's only one who sits on the throne/power, and that's the Lord Jesus. .... again, hello! think man, God is a Spirit... you think God is in one location, (HIS RESURRECTED BODY)..... but sitting on a physical throne, in one location? nonsense, LISTEN, Jeremiah 23:23 "Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?" Jeremiah 23:24 "Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD." .... again hello, think man.

101G.

God is always on the throne. Jesus isn't until here Rev 6:2, here in these last days.
LORD= Jehovah not Jesus.

 

[Keiw1]

All that YHWH declares of Himself so also does the LORD Jesus Christ declare of Himself.

YHWH Says: "Look to ME for Salvation" and "every tongue shall confess ME as LORD" = Isaiah 45:21-23

The FATHER Says: "Look to the LORD Jesus Christ for Salvation" = Isaiah ch45 = GOSPEL = John 3:1-21

YHWH Says: "every knee shall bow and every tongues confess to ME" = Isaiah ch45 = GOSPEL

The FATHER Says: "every knee shall bow and tongues confess that Jesus Christ is LORD(YHWH)" = Isaiah ch45 = Philippians 2:5-11

Jesus is never called -LORD all capitols. Only Jehovah is.

 

[dwight92070]

So, 101G, I answered your question, but you have not answered my question. What is the problem? Why have you not answered me?

 

[dwight92070]

Again, 101G, while you're stalling for time on that question, here's another question for you?

In Revelation 5, all of creation which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, gives blessing, honor, glory, and dominion to Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb.

But why is it that the Lamb Himself NEVER bows down and worships Him who sits on the throne?

 

[dwight92070]

Crickets.

 

[101G]

The one who sits on the throne is the Father.

Now it's your turn.

ok if the Father sits on the throne, please post Scripture as to who gave the Father "POWER". for the ONE who sits on the throne recieved POWER, scripture, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

so, please the book chapter and verse as to who gave the Father POWER?

in much G.L.

101G.

 

[101G]

Who is sitting on the throne in Revelation 22:1 and Rev. 22:3?

Sure, ONLY the Lord Jesus. God and Lamb are just titles of the Lord Jesus.....

101G.

 

[101G]

God is always on the throne. Jesus isn't until here Rev 6:2, here in these last days.
LORD= Jehovah not Jesus.

if this is true, then tell us ..... "is it your Jehovah who sits on the throne at Revelation 4:11? LISTEN "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created". remember chapter 4 is before chapter 6. so if it's the Father who sits on the throne. then tell us who gave the Father POWER then. listen, "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power" if it's the Father who sits on the throne before chapter 6, then who gave the Father POWER, book chapter and verse please.

101G.

 

[101G]

To all,
let's get educated. there is only one on the throne/Power. now the test to prove all of revelation as to who the Lord Jesus is. LISTEN and LEARN,
Revelation 3:12 "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."

the Lord Jesus is speaking here....... the simple TEST... "WHO NAME DID HE WRITE?", Listen, "and I will write upon him my new name."

Oh my, this is just too easy.

101G.

 

[DavidTree]

Jesus is never called -LORD all capitols. Only Jehovah is.

FACT #1 - JESUS is called LORD in all capital letters

And I heard a sound like the roar of a great multitude, like the rushing of many waters, and like a mighty rumbling of thunder, crying out:

“Hallelujah!

For the Lord our God the Almighty reigns.
7Let us rejoice and be glad
and give Him the glory.
For the marriage of the Lamb has come,
and His bride has made herself ready.
8She was given clothing of fine linen,
bright and pure.”

He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh:

KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS

 

[Keiw1]

if this is true, then tell us ..... "is it your Jehovah who sits on the throne at Revelation 4:11? LISTEN "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created". remember chapter 4 is before chapter 6. so if it's the Father who sits on the throne. then tell us who gave the Father POWER then. listen, "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power" if it's the Father who sits on the throne before chapter 6, then who gave the Father POWER, book chapter and verse please.

101G.

It is Jehovah God on the throne in Rev 4:11-- It carries another meaning( power)

 

[Keiw1]

FACT #1 - JESUS is called LORD in all capital letters

And I heard a sound like the roar of a great multitude, like the rushing of many waters, and like a mighty rumbling of thunder, crying out:

“Hallelujah!

For the Lord our God the Almighty reigns.
7Let us rejoice and be glad
and give Him the glory.
For the marriage of the Lamb has come,
and His bride has made herself ready.
8She was given clothing of fine linen,
bright and pure.”

He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh:

KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS

Rev 19:16=King of kings and Lord of Lords--not LORD.

 

[dwight92070]

101G, I guess those questions stumped you, huh? They're not really that hard. But you have to admit that you're wrong, if you answer them, huh? Some people just can't admit that they're wrong.

I'm still waiting

ok if the Father sits on the throne, please post Scripture as to who gave the Father "POWER". for the ONE who sits on the throne recieved POWER, scripture, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

so, please the book chapter and verse as to who gave the Father POWER?

in much G.L.

101G.

ok if the Father sits on the throne, please post Scripture as to who gave the Father "POWER". for the ONE who sits on the throne recieved POWER, scripture, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

so, please the book chapter and verse as to who gave the Father POWER?

in much G.L.

101G.

What are you? Jesus Only? Oneness Pentecostal?

You are mistaken. You are misinterpreting Rev.4:11 Nobody gave God His power. He always was and He always had power. When it says "Worthy are You, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and because of Your will they existed, and were created." - it is simply saying:

He is WORTHY to RECEIVE OUR WORSHIP!!!!

That simply means that ALL CREATION RIGHTFULLY ATTRIBUTES TO HIM THE HIGHEST WORSHIP!!!! Hallelujah!!!!

Here's the book, chapter, and verse: "Genesis 1:1" "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

 

[DavidTree]

Rev 19:16=King of kings and Lord of Lords--not LORD.

Your ranting about capital letters is foolishness.

You do not believe the LORD Jesus Christ, for if you did you would know Him and love Him and obey Him.

Instead, you choose to deny Him by speaking lies from watchtower.

the FATHER of the LORD Jesus Christ will not accept you right now unless you deny watchtower and BELIEVE the words of the LORD
Just as i denied the roman catholic church and BELIEVED every word of the LORD Jesus Christ

yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist.
And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

One FATHER God + One LORD Jesus Christ + One HOLY Spirit = Echad ELOHIM

 

[Keiw1]

Your ranting about capital letters is foolishness.

You do not believe the LORD Jesus Christ, for if you did you would know Him and love Him and obey Him.

Instead, you choose to deny Him by speaking lies from watchtower.

the FATHER of the LORD Jesus Christ will not accept you right now unless you deny watchtower and BELIEVE the words of the LORD
Just as i denied the roman catholic church and BELIEVED every word of the LORD Jesus Christ

yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist.
And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

One FATHER God + One LORD Jesus Christ + One HOLY Spirit = Echad ELOHIM

Jesus said-the one who sent him( John 17:3)= Father is the only true God.)) You see we all must choose with our free will who we believe. ALL true followers believe Jesus.

 

[DavidTree]

Jesus said-the one who sent him( John 17:3)= Father is the only true God.)) You see we all must choose with our free will who we believe. ALL true followers believe Jesus.

JESUS Says, "I and MY FATHER are ONE"

When you disobey the LORD Jesus Christ you disobey the One True GOD"

Who is it who stands at the door of your heart whereby you refuse to open - God or JESUS ???

When you refuse the LORD Jesus Christ you refuse God.

Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in and dine with him, and he with Me.

 

[101G]

It is Jehovah God on the throne in Rev 4:11-- It carries another meaning( power)

GINOLJC, to all.
well the bible do not agree with you. it is the Lord JESUS, the Almighty who sits on the throne. and yes, he has all POWER. listen, Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
now, for the LAST TIME ..... give scripture as to who gave YOUR Jehovah "POWER". just one verse will do. will be looking for your reply

in your Scripture, let it state your Jehovah was given all power ...... thanks in advance.

101G.

 

[101G]

101G, I guess those questions stumped you, huh? They're not really that hard. But you have to admit that you're wrong, if you answer them, huh? Some people just can't admit that they're wrong.

can you, for 101G answered all your question. now if you believe 101G did not answer your questions, please post any of them and 101G will answer them ONE by ONE. ...... NOW, if 101G cannot answer your question concerning God, and how many persons he is then 101G will repent. else you must repent. fair enough? now ask your question.

What are you? Jesus Only? Oneness Pentecostal?

none of those.... (smile). and to what 101G is? listen God ONLY, who is ONE person in an ECHAD of Father/LORD... "FIRST" and Son/Lord ... "LAST". this is better KNOWN as, "Diversified Oneness". just what the Lord Jesus/God, and his apostles, and disciple taught and believed.

You are mistaken. You are misinterpreting Rev.4:11 Nobody gave God His power.

your Second ERROR of the DAY, is not JESUS "GOD", and was he not given "ALL POWER?" let's see what the bible say, Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

THIS IS THE GREAT COMMISSION, YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS. see, dwight 101G teaches only what God, the Lord Jesus taught.... nothing added, nothing taken away. if one do that... you will never get caught in an ERROR, or better a LIE.

He always was and He always had power.

your third ERROR of the DAY, LISTEN, Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"
no reputation: G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v.
1. to make empty.
2. (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify.
[from G2756]
KJV: make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain
Root(s): G2756
See definition #1. to make empty. there is where he "WAS" God, just as John 1:1 clearly states, John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." dwight you should have KNOWN this.

When it says "Worthy are You, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and because of Your will they existed, and were created." - it is simply saying:

He is WORTHY to RECEIVE OUR WORSHIP!!!!

That simply means that ALL CREATION RIGHTFULLY ATTRIBUTES TO HIM THE HIGHEST WORSHIP!!!! Hallelujah!!!!

Here's the book, chapter, and verse: "Genesis 1:1" "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

again, see above reply. see Spirit he is.... I AM, but with power, no, because he had to die for us as the LAST ADAM.... in flesh and blood. dwight, 101G is surprise, this is basic bible knowledge.

in much GL.

101G.

 

[101G]

To all,
as the topic almost say, "The Touchstone of Truth, but not a trinity. it seems people still do not grasp the ERROR of the trinity. case in point.
Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" the Form of God and not the Form ... "FROM" God which would then indicate a separate and distinct person. but "OF" God, indicate the same person showing "ownership", or possession. example My Team, the wildcats, or in the Lord Jesus case, My Father. for he possessed me from the beginning.

now let's see this OWNERSHIP in "WITH" as Philippians 2:6b "thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" same nature, only without "POWER". Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

but this is why he was EMPOWERED (with the Spirit) while in that body of natural flesh with blood. at his baptism, the anointing of the Holy Spirit. BUT STOP AND THINK, was this not God in that flesh and blood? let's see what the bible say. Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

if God is with us, and God is a Spirit. question, "HOW MUCH OF THE SPIRIT WAS made G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v. remember he is equal with. but now, in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v is not equal to, but equal with God, for his NATURE DID NOT CHANGE. and being in the NATURE of men, without power, for no reputation is the Greek word, G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v. 1. to make empty.
2. (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify.
[from G2756]
KJV: make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain
Root(s): G2756

question time, "how much, of, of, of, the ONE Spirit was made, G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v. 1. to make empty?), because God was in that flesh and blood body from the conception of that flesh in Mary's womb. but here comes the Holy Spirit, at his baptism, anoints and indwells that flesh and blood body, which already have the Spirit in it, (but in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v. state). so, is it two Spirits in that body? or is it the same ONE Spirit? it makes no difference if you say it was the Son person in that flesh. the question still stands how much of the Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v. 1. to make empty? when in the body of flesh and blood housed the Son or the Father. for sure it's not two Spirit that are separate and distinct as the trinity persons are. so the dilemma is again exposing the trinity as a false belief, meaning a false doctrine. either one have two Spirits, or they must answer, "how the one Spirit was made G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v. 1. to make empty?"

this is the dilemma, or another one that the trinity doctrine must overcome.

101G.