The Trinity and the Incarnation

[DavidTree]

twisting as usual.

Unbelief is the 'twist' of the way of the serpent.

 

[DavidTree]

another assumption. listen to the verse. Matthew 3:17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." the scripture states a Voice, not the Fathers, Holy Spirit .... it just said a voice. and angels speak from heaven. example when Abrahan was told by God to sacrifice his ONLY SON. an angel spoke from Heaven. scripture,
Genesis 22:10 "And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son." Genesis 22:11 "And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I." Genesis 22:12 "And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me." HOLD IT, STOP THE PRESS, what did the angel say? listen, "seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me". wait a second, the angel never commanded Abraham to sacrifice his ... ONLY BEGOTTEN SON... no, God did. but is was the angel speaking from ... "heaven" on God's behalf. the verse clearly states it was the angel ... "VOICE" from heaven that spoke.

and as for the Voice at the baptism, never assume anything..... KNOW. and if the bible never say it was the Father's Voice, then don't ASSUME, and ADD to God's Holy Word, that's spiritual suicide and the road to destruction,,,, so never, ever ASSUME anything, let the bible tell you. lets go on. "Genesis 22:13 "And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son." Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen."Genesis 22:15 "And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time," (WHERE DID THE ANGEL VOICE COME FROM? ... THAT'S RIGHT HEAVEN). Genesis 22:16 "And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:" (WAS THIS GOD SPEAKING OR THE ANGEL, answer, the ANGEL, on GOD'S BEHALF). Genesis 22:17 "That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;" Genesis 22:18 "And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.", when was this command, and WHO spoke to Abraham in this command? answer, Genesis 22:1 "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am." Genesis 22:2 "And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of."

so we can see that "a Voice" from heaven is not always God's VOICE, but conveys his "WORDS". so never assume anything unless the bible say so. for if we did not have the actual speaker from heaven identified, here in Genesis 22 we could ... "ASSUME" by the words spoken that it is the Father's voice. so by the guidance of the Holy Spirit we will not make this mistake of "ASSUMPTION". for when the Bible say a Voice, then we say a voice unless we're told who voice it is, (and the bible never did). so this MISTAKE of ASSUMPTION is corrected and exposed for what it is, a false ASSUMPTION.

101G

When you choose to only believe yourself, you create your own version of the Scriptures, with yourself being the interpreter.

 

[praise_yeshua]

ERROR, US and OUR was to come, but not at Genesis 1:26. do you understand?

101G.

I understand that Bereshit wasn't written when the events actually took place. It was written much later.

I don't accept your false claim. "US" is representative of a conversation the members of the Holy Trinity had at one time.

 

[praise_yeshua]

@praise_yeshua,
do you believe what the Lord Jesus said?, Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"

do you really understand the dilemma of what the Lord Jesus is saying in contrast to Genesis 1:26, concerning HIS Plurality in TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK?

101G.

I believe I understand it better than you do. Matthew 19:4 rightfully speaks of Adam and Eve.

 

[TomL]

ERROR, US and OUR was to come, but not at Genesis 1:26. do you understand?

101G.

Um. Us

Genesis 1:26 (LEB) — 26 And God said, “Let us make humankind in our image and according to our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of heaven, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every moving thing that moves upon the earth.”

is definitely plural

so is God

 

[praise_yeshua]

Um. Us

Genesis 1:26 (LEB) — 26 And God said, “Let us make humankind in our image and according to our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of heaven, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every moving thing that moves upon the earth.”

is definitely plural

so is God

Even a knowledgeable Jew will admit that that Elohim is plural and there is no clear case to be made otherwise in claiming that "G-d" isn't actually plural.

Some of these arguments are so ridiculous. I just can't believe these Unitarians are real.......

 

[TomL]

Even a knowledgeable Jew will admit that that Elohim is plural and there is no clear case to be made otherwise in claiming that "G-d" isn't actually plural.

Some of these arguments are so ridiculous. I just can't believe these Unitarians are real.......

Really not very knowledgeable.

 

[TomL]

another assumption. listen to the verse. Matthew 3:17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." the scripture states a Voice, not the Fathers, Holy Spirit .... it just said a voice. and angels speak from heaven. example when Abrahan was told by God to sacrifice his ONLY SON. an angel spoke from Heaven. scripture,
Genesis 22:10 "And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son." Genesis 22:11 "And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I." Genesis 22:12 "And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me." HOLD IT, STOP THE PRESS, what did the angel say? listen, "seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me". wait a second, the angel never commanded Abraham to sacrifice his ... ONLY BEGOTTEN SON... no, God did. but is was the angel speaking from ... "heaven" on God's behalf. the verse clearly states it was the angel ... "VOICE" from heaven that spoke.

and as for the Voice at the baptism, never assume anything..... KNOW. and if the bible never say it was the Father's Voice, then don't ASSUME, and ADD to God's Holy Word, that's spiritual suicide and the road to destruction,,,, so never, ever ASSUME anything, let the bible tell you. lets go on. "Genesis 22:13 "And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son." Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen."Genesis 22:15 "And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time," (WHERE DID THE ANGEL VOICE COME FROM? ... THAT'S RIGHT HEAVEN). Genesis 22:16 "And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:" (WAS THIS GOD SPEAKING OR THE ANGEL, answer, the ANGEL, on GOD'S BEHALF). Genesis 22:17 "That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;" Genesis 22:18 "And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.", when was this command, and WHO spoke to Abraham in this command? answer, Genesis 22:1 "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am." Genesis 22:2 "And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of."

so we can see that "a Voice" from heaven is not always God's VOICE, but conveys his "WORDS". so never assume anything unless the bible say so. for if we did not have the actual speaker from heaven identified, here in Genesis 22 we could ... "ASSUME" by the words spoken that it is the Father's voice. so by the guidance of the Holy Spirit we will not make this mistake of "ASSUMPTION". for when the Bible say a Voice, then we say a voice unless we're told who voice it is, (and the bible never did). so this MISTAKE of ASSUMPTION is corrected and exposed for what it is, a false ASSUMPTION.

101G

Seriously A voice from heaven proclaiming Christ as his son and you want to deny it is the Father

Smacks of desperation

 

[Runningman]

Yes notice small g with an s at the end. God never has an s at the end.

More proof Jesus isn't God, but rather one of the people who are are sons of the Most High. Therefore Jesus is not the Most High because there are many sons of the Most High who are not the Most High. People take the "Son of God" title way too far as always and ignore the many references to the other Sons of God who are not God.

Psalm 82 (NIV)
6“I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’

 

[Runningman]

fine, but do you see it? .... "gods", .... them being gods, and not the true God. and what are these "gods?" 1 Chronicles 16:26 "For all the gods of the people are idols: but the LORD made the heavens." and Idols are what? NOTHING, 1 Corinthians 8:4 "As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one."

101G.

Doesn't that prove that the concept of Jesus being God is idolatry?

 

[Runningman]

So if they were Elohim is Christ more or less Elohim than they

Were they ever stated to do what God alone can do?

Did they possess titles that belong to God alone?

Did they receive angelic worship?

Don't be afraid to answer

They are all sons of the Most High according to Psalm 82:6 with the only criteria being that the word of God came to them. The word of God also came to Jesus.

Yes there are titles that people can possess that God also has.

Here's one:

Ezra 7 (NIV)
12Artaxerxes, king of kings,
To Ezra the priest, teacher of the Law of the God of heaven:
Greetings.

 

[TomL]

They are all sons of the Most High according to Psalm 82:6 with the only criteria being that the word of God came to them. The word of God also came to Jesus.

Yes there are titles that people can possess that God also has.

Here's one:

Ezra 7 (NIV)
12Artaxerxes, king of kings,
To Ezra the priest, teacher of the Law of the God of heaven:
Greetings.

Nothing there about EZra being God

Why did you not answer the question

So if they were Elohim is Christ more or less Elohim than they

Were they ever stated to do what God alone can do?

Did they possess titles that belong to God alone?

Did they receive angelic worship?

Don't be afraid to answer

 

[101G]

Let us= Jehovah and his master worker( Prov 8:30)
In the next verse 27--God proceeded to create man in HIS( not ours)image.

GINOLJC, to all.
there is no MASTER WORKER. the LORD JESUS was alone and by himself. scripture, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

my God do people look up words....... for "ALONE" means, having no one else present. hello, anyone home. there was no one else to be his MASTER WORKER. he did it alone.......

101G.

 

[101G]

When you choose to only believe yourself, you create your own version of the Scriptures, with yourself being the interpreter.

2 Peter 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." 2 Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

you just been caught on an assumption. the scriptures states ... "A VOIVE". the scriptures never said who voice it was from heaven. YOU ASSUMED and 101G just caught you on your assumption by what was said. it was your choice to assume, and you chose in ERROR.

101G.

 

[Johann]

Doesn't that prove that the concept of Jesus being God is idolatry?

Where Does Jesus Say, "I Am God"? | The Triunity of God

John 8:58 Where does Jesus say, "I am God, worship me?" Zakir Naik refuted I AM

www.thetriunityofgod.com

For you to read and come to the knowledge of truth @Runningman.

J.

 

[civic]

Let us= Jehovah and his master worker( Prov 8:30)
In the next verse 27--God proceeded to create man in HIS( not ours)image.

nice try before creation there was only God, no one else, nothing else.

this eliminates your teaching as being true and exposes it as being false.

 

[101G]

I understand that Bereshit wasn't written when the events actually took place. It was written much later.

I don't accept your false claim. "US" is representative of a conversation the members of the Holy Trinity had at one time.

Listen, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

do you know what "ALONE" means? and he was alone at Genesis 1:26. did you hear the Lord Jesus himself? Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"

he, he, he, at the beginning, how many is "he?". praise_yeshua ..... 101G is surprise of you, not believing the Lord Jesus. if the Lord Jesus himself states that GOD is a "HE" in the beginning why are you not a believer of God, the Lord Jesus? that US and OUR was to come in TIME, PLACE, ORDER and RANK just as Genessis 1:1 term "Beginning", clearly reveals.

101G cannot believe you would IGNORE what the Lord Jesus said. if you don't5 believe him, YOU make him a LIER... (God forbid). 101G appeal to your sanity to find out why the scripture say US and OUR at Genesis 1:26 and he and his in Genesis 1:27

take care.

101G

 

[101G]

I believe I understand it better than you do. Matthew 19:4 rightfully speaks of Adam and Eve.

101G believe you don't. yes, it speaks of Adam and Eve, but also as to who made them....... HE, who is God, a single person. look at the verse again.

101G.

 

[101G]

Doesn't that prove that the concept of Jesus being God is idolatry?

No, and here's why. Deuteronomy 32:39 "See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."

if NO "god" is with him then that negate the Lord Jesus as the Word in John 1:1 as being a "god". because the "Word" was "WITH" God in John 1:1.

101G.

 

[TomL]

GINOLJC, to all.
there is no MASTER WORKER. the LORD JESUS was alone and by himself. scripture, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

my God do people look up words....... for "ALONE" means, having no one else present. hello, anyone home. there was no one else to be his MASTER WORKER. he did it alone.......

101G.

Apparently you do not know collective nouns can take a singular pronoun

Thus

1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

That is the two in unity