They are one in purpose. Jesus is Gods image( Col 1:15-16) He lives to do his Fathers will= one in purpose.
The Trinity The Touchstone of Truth
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All who stand up for him gives him power in a sense perse)
Runningman
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Grammatically and contextually, it's feasible to see the throne of God and the Lamb as two distinctly separate thrones. This is how we avoid contradictions. See below.
Rev. 3 (ESV)
21The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.
Runningman
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You raise a point worth addressing. The Father is never said to have been given power, given authority, made Lord, made Christ, anointed, empowered, or the God is with the Father, or that the Father was resurrected and given eternal life or is in the image of God. It's because the Father is already God, always was, always will be, and is infallible. The Father is YHWH. He's an eternal being and is the Sovereign Lord and Creator.
101G
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101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
Good, glad you're thinking. 101G commend you. yes, this is correct. but, but, understand this. Isaiah 6:9 "And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not." Isaiah 6:10 "Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed."
you have took the first step in getting healed. asking the RIGHT QUESTIUONS.
Now hold those thought in what you said, and listen to this verse, Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
How can a Son who is "GIVEN" .... but NOT BORN, be the Mighty God and Everlasting Father. answer, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me." HIS OWN ARM IS HIM. this is why he, the Son have the Seven Spirit, (the Holy Spirit), and why the Son is ..... EQUAL WITH, and NOT .... EAQUAL TO God. Just as Psalms 110:1 clearly states, "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool".
now the sum of what 101G has said. the LORD/Father is the SAME ONE PERSON WHO IS THE Lord/Son in dispensation of "TIME", "PLACE", "ORDER", and "RANK", just as Genesis 1:1 clearly state in the term Beginning that tells us clearly who and what God is.
Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." THESE ARE THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT TERMS IN THE BIBLE THAT TELLS US WHO THE "FATHER" IS AS WELL AS THE SON, AND WHAT, AND WHY THEY ARE.
the Hebrew Term "Beginning" in Genesis 1:1.
H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218
Runningman, you asked, and this is the answer to the Godhead, that clearly define who and what God is ... and WHY he is a plurality of., of, of himself. look at that definition #1. this is the KEY to understanding God in "TIME", "PLACE", "ORDER", and "RANK".
you already know the "ORDER", First, as in ORDINAL FIRST. let's see this Ordinal Designation from the bible. scripture, Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" the Hebrew term ONE here is
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258
notice definition #2 an ORDINAL First. just as beginning in Genesis 1:1 states "FIRST" this is the first step in understand the Order of administration of God in "TIME". for he the LORD/FATHER is Equally Shared in flesh and blood as the Son, which is the LAST/Lord. this identifies the Father in flesh and Blood... remember Isaiah 63:5 "My OWN ARM". well God's OWN ARM IS HIM AS SON IN FLESH and BLOOD. and how do we KNOW this. for the bible tells us. scripture, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." NOTICE the "LORD" the First, Just as Genesis 1:1 "beginning" clearly states, THE FIRST. but notice the scripture states "WITH" the Last. just bas the Word was "WITH" God in the beginning as John 1:1 clearly states. now the revelation of Father and Son as ONE in the ECHAD as stated in the definition H259 ECHAD. scripture, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." ALSO? yes, the same ONE PERSON. for the term ALSO means, "in addition; too". in addition to being the FIRST, he GOD/JESUS is also the Last. and the LAST is the Son. this is why the Lord Jesus in flesh on earth say MY FATHER IN HEAVEN, is saying my Spirit in heave, and IN HEAVEN, say MY SON, on earth in flesh, is simply is saying MY BODY on earth.
this is the First step in in LEARNING the TRUTH about God/JESUS... his designation, or Administration of Ordinal "FIRST"/Father/LORD, and Ordinal "LAST"/Son/Lord. and this designation of First and Last or this administrations are clearly seen in the bible. scripture, 1 Corinthians 12:4 "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit." 1 Corinthians 12:5 "And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord." 1 Corinthians 12:6 "And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all."
that term "operations "in verse 6 is another word for administration. so the same Lord, (Son), who is Spirit, (the Holy Spirit), is the same GOD which worketh all in all. the Lord, the Spirit, and the LORD is the SAME ONE GOD, who is JESUS..... in TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK.
this is why the Lord Jesus said I AM before Abraham was. and it is also why the Lord Jesus clearly states in Matthews 19:4 that GOD is a "he" ONE PERSON. the Lord Jesus/God don't LIE. so I believe the Lord JESUS, who is the ONE TRUE and ONLY God.
read over this post. and if interested, we can discuss the "TIME", "PLACE", as we see in "ORDER"/First/Last, and "RANK"/LORD/Lord. likewise, the TIME and PLACE are just as easy... ALPHA and OMEGA or BEGINNING and END.
again, thanks for ASKING.
101G.
DavidTree
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Another watchtower lie = denying the TRUTH = the LORD and the FATHER are Echad Elohim
Watchtower is destined for hell, along with the RCC.
RUN from the idolatry of watchtower.
RUN to the LORD Jesus Christ who ALONE can wash you from your sins and who ALONE will PRAY to the FATHER that you may be received into His Grace.
the SAVIOR Says: "IAM the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE, no one comes to the FATHER but thru ME"
The ONE PURPOSE for you is to repent from religion/watchtower and obey the LORD Jesus Christ
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Jesus warned you-John 15:20-21-- That on account of his name( thinking they stand for it) they will do things against the true followers-Why? Because they do not know the one who sent him= Father= the only true God( John 17:3)--so your judgement will come upon your own head.
DavidTree
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This is a WARNING to YOU who deny His Name and His FATHER's Name
I don't deny either one-( God = Jehovah, his son= Jesus.= 2 different beings.
