It's Impossible to Believe in Christ Without Believing the Trinity

101G said:
ok, understand..... is your body you? no, but your body takes on the IDENITY of You, the spirit that dwells in it. example. if 101G died in a car accident, and the police come to 101G house and inform 101G wife that he had died in an Accident. and they ask her if she can IDENTIFY the ........ BODY, not the real Person in that body, "her husband", but the body that her husband dwelt in. for the spirit leave the body at death.
understand now? GL.
101G
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nope. Jesus still has his body in resurrection.
 
mikesw said:
nope. Jesus still has his body in resurrection.
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do it have blood in the resurrection? for the LIFE of, of, of, the BODY is in the blood. Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."

Leviticus 17:14 "For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off."

GL

101G.
 
Muckah said:
The Bible teaches the Trinty. It took me many years to see it and believe it. The flowing verses changed to mind.

20 But as he was thinking this over, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, Joseph, descendant of David, do not be afraid to take Mary [as] your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of (from, out of) the Holy Spirit.
Mt 1:20.

19 Go then and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mt 28:19.


14 And the Word (Christ) became flesh (human, incarnate) and tabernacled (fixed His tent of flesh, lived awhile) among us; and we [actually] saw His glory (His honor, His majesty), such glory as an only begotten son receives from his father, full of grace (favor, loving-kindness) and truth.
Jn 1:14.

4 When you read this you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ
Eph 3:4.

2 [For my concern is] that their hearts may be braced (comforted, cheered, and encouraged) as they are knit together in love, that they may come to have all the abounding wealth and blessings of assured conviction of understanding, and that they may become progressively more intimately acquainted with and may know more definitely and accurately and thoroughly that mystic secret of God, [which is] Christ (the Anointed One).
3 In Him all the treasures of [divine] wisdom (comprehensive insight into the ways and purposes of God) and [all the riches of spiritual] knowledge and enlightenment are stored up and lie hidden.
Col 2:2–3.

14 Since, therefore, [these His] children share in flesh and blood [in the physical nature of human beings], He [Himself] in a similar manner partook of the same [nature], that by [going through] death He might bring to nought and make of no effect him who had the power of death—that is, the devil
Heb 2:14.

It is impossible to believe explicitly in the mystery of Christ without faith in the Trinity, since the mystery of Christ includes that the Son of God took flesh; that He renewed the world through the grace of the Holy Ghost; and again, that He was conceived by the Holy Ghost.… And consequently, when once grace had been revealed, all were bound to explicit faith in the mystery of the Trinity

When we become a Christian, part of the grace of God toward us is the gift of the Holy Spirit. When we receive Christ, we receive the Holy Spirit as well. The Holy Spirit acts like an automatic “sin alarm” system. The things we used to do before we were saved that didn’t bother us at all … now an alarm goes off in us when we even consider doing them. That is the Holy Spirit tweaking us to remind us that we are about to sin against the holiness of God.
When Paul says the Spirit has “poured” the love of God into our hearts, he uses a term that suggests such an abundance that there is not sufficient room to contain it. We don’t just have a little of the love of God by the Spirit, we have love that is overflowing! This, I believe, is the overflow that every new Christian experiences when they first come to know Christ and know the Spirit’s presence.
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Here is what Jesus teaches= John 17:1-6,26= A prayer to his Father---- He teaches- the one who sent him= Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD--verse 6= YHVH)Jehovah) verse 26= YHVH(Jehovah)----- best believe Jesus all his real followers do.
 
Keiw1 said:
Here is what Jesus teaches= John 17:1-6,26= A prayer to his Father---- He teaches- the one who sent him= Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD--verse 6= YHVH)Jehovah) verse 26= YHVH(Jehovah)----- best believe Jesus all his real followers do.
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Let's see what the Lord Jesus teaches. John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." that conjunction says it all .... just as it also says in James 1:27 "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."

so, K, is God and the Father two separate and distinct persons? yes or no.

101G.
 
101G said:
Let's see what the Lord Jesus teaches. John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." that conjunction says it all .... just as it also says in James 1:27 "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."

so, K, is God and the Father two separate and distinct persons? yes or no.

101G.
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The Father is the only God.= Jehovah.
 
Keiw1 said:
The firstborn of all creation. Gods son=the Messiah. Not God.
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ERROR, Jesus is the POWER, and WISDOM, that is God..... "Spirit". for title of "FIRST", means Father, because he JESUS made all things in the beginning. and LIKEWISE, Jesus shared in flesh and Blood, the "Last", title Son, because he redeemed and Save all that he made.

understand now? JESUS as First is the Spirit in Genesis 1 that made all things. now.... read Isaiah 44:24 again, for he, he, he, was alone.... and ... by himself.

101G.
 
101G said:
ERROR, Jesus is the POWER, and WISDOM, that is God..... "Spirit". for title of "FIRST", means Father, because he JESUS made all things in the beginning. and LIKEWISE, Jesus shared in flesh and Blood, the "Last", title Son, because he redeemed and Save all that he made.

understand now? JESUS as First is the Spirit in Genesis 1 that made all things. now.... read Isaiah 44:24 again, for he, he, he, was alone.... and ... by himself.

101G.
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I don't know where you find these untrue twistings. You best relook, it takes believing Jesus, no trinitarian will.
 
Grace ambassador said:
:( Sad, Very Sad Indeed! :(:

???need other 'instruments' For The Truth?:

I will stay with The Scriptures Only (1 Corinthians 4:6 AV)!:
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I will stay with ALL The Scriptures (2 Timothy 3:16 AV) Relating To:

Amen.
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John 20:17, Rev 3:12--Jesus disagrees with you.
Paul disagrees with you-Col 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, Eph 1:3--Peter disagrees with you-1Pet 1:3--The real gospel=Jesus has a God= his Father.
 
101G said:
who actual sent the Comforter, and it will answer who sent the Son. scripture, John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."
WAS IT THE FATHER WHO SENT THE H/S OR THE SON, WHICH ONE?

101G.
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The answer is BOTH. John 15:26 "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me, ..." So BOTH the Father and the Son send the Holy Spirit.
In one sense, you cannot separate the Father from the Son. "He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me?" "Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also." John 14:9-10; 1 John 2:23
In another sense, they are distinct from one another. No surprise - that's the Trinity. We can't fully explain it, but we see the reality of it.
 
dwight92070 said:
The answer is BOTH. John 15:26 "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me, ..." So BOTH the Father and the Son send the Holy Spirit.
In one sense, you cannot separate the Father from the Son. "He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me?" "Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also." John 14:9-10; 1 John 2:23
In another sense, they are distinct from one another. No surprise - that's the Trinity. We can't fully explain it, but we see the reality of it.
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You can't fully explain electricity, but we see the reality of it.
Shalom
 
dwight92070 said:
The answer is BOTH. John 15:26 "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me, ..." So BOTH the Father and the Son send the Holy Spirit.
In one sense, you cannot separate the Father from the Son. "He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me?" "Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also." John 14:9-10; 1 John 2:23
In another sense, they are distinct from one another. No surprise - that's the Trinity. We can't fully explain it, but we see the reality of it.
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ok, then, if what you said is true, is it not only the Holy Spirit who dwells in us? John 14:23 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." the Father abide with us, and in us also? but did not the Lord Jesus said he will dwell with us and in us also? John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

so we have the Father, the Son, and ..... the Holy Spirit in US? three persons..... you said, "BOTH". John 15:26 "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father.

now the scriptures clearly states, "God is a, "one" Spirit. but from the above statements your Father, your Son, and your Holy Spirit, three PERSONS? or Three Spirits are indwelling the TRUE BELIEVER? let's see if three person are in the believer. listen, Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

now is this two separate persons, or two separate Spirits. if you say two separate Person, then you have two separate Spirits. now if you say these Spirits are the same one Spirit, Good glade you said that, because the Spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit who was in the Prophets of Old who is the Person the Holy Spirit. LISTEN, 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:" 1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. "the Spirit of Christ?" ..... in the prophets of old... meaning the OT. well now was it n ot the Holy Spirit in the prophets of old? let's see who was in the OT prophets. 2 Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." so the Lord Jesus is the Holy Spirit, who is the Father, the same one person. else you have three Spirits.

now go back to your statement, you said, "Both sent the Spirit". let's see what the Spirit of prophecy said.

Joel 2:27 "And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed." Joel 2:28 "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:" Joel 2:29 "And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit." Joel 2:30 "And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke." Joel 2:31 "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come." Joel 2:32 "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call."
is not the Name of the LORD is JESUS? let the scripture speak, John 5:43 "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive."

dwight92070, who name did you get save by? Jesus or Jehovah, or.....? who is that name? remember you said "BOTH".... (smile)

101G.
 

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