Why The Trinity is Wrong: Pronouns

[charismaticlady]

No, God gives the Gift. and he determines who and what is need. and what was need was a workman to build, not to preach or teach. so that line of thinking will not work.

A prophet is also gifted with visionary sight. That also takes the Spirit. I have it also, but I am not a Prophet. I am only a Teacher. There are some preachers in the world that were never called by God to presume that office; otherwise they wouldn't be preaching false doctrine.

no tone, only scripture. if any tone it not 101G. check yourself.

It is weird when you can't recognize when I agree with you.

ERROR, Oh my God. 1 John 1:6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:" what is another spiritual word for "darkness?" IGNORANCE. 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." 1 John 1:10 "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." WE? ... and US?
do you now see the difference? no sin vs not sinned ...... now who is John speaking to?..... now if you cannot figure this out ......... NOW LISTEN CAREFULLY, the next chapter. 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" NOW C-LADY do "any"/All man have this Covenant right? yes or no. if no, then you question is answered. if yes, then there is no need to continue today.

Don't swear and use God's name in vain.

Of course, the apostles will use first person. We must see ourselves against what is the truth about ourselves which Paul called working out our own salvation with fear and trembling. Otherwise we might turn out like you. John is doing the same thing. 1 John 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

 

[101G]

A prophet is also gifted with visionary sight. That also takes the Spirit. I have it also, but I am not a Prophet. I am only a Teacher. There are some preachers in the world that were never called by God to presume that office; otherwise they wouldn't be preaching false doctrine.

thanks for the reply. Great, so AM I a teacher. and yes Prophets have the Gift of the Spirit. and yes, not all are sent by God. but 101G provided the scripture that showed that the Spirit was not only given to prophets and kings. was it clear?

It is weird when you can't recognize when I agree with you.

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Don't swear and use God's name in vain.

? ..... ? how did 101G took God Name in vain? the title "God" is not the Lord Jesus Name .... Hello.

Of course, the apostles will use first person. We must see ourselves against what is the truth about ourselves which Paul called working out our own salvation with fear and trembling. Otherwise we might turn out like you. John is doing the same thing. 1 John 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

"Otherwise we might turn out like you" personal opinion? .... " John is doing the same thing. " ?
101G will leave personal opinion with you.

101G.

 

[charismaticlady]

thanks for the reply. Great, so AM I a teacher. and yes Prophets have the Gift of the Spirit. and yes, not all are sent by God. but 101G provided the scripture that showed that the Spirit was not only given to prophets and kings. was it clear?

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? ..... ? how did 101G took God Name in vain? the title "God" is not the Lord Jesus Name .... Hello.

"Otherwise we might turn out like you" personal opinion? .... " John is doing the same thing. " ?
101G will leave personal opinion with you.

101G.

When or if Jesus gives us an office as in Ephesians 4 He will speak to us and tell us. I was driving through the Arizona desert on my way to a seminar in California and God spoke to me and told me He was giving me the office of Teacher. When I arrived at the seminar, I asked Pastor Jack Hayford to be the one to anoint me for the office. He and his son-in-law took me to a private room and anointed me. Years before when I was living in California and going to Pastor Jack's church I would receive prophecies and visions that I would pass on to Pastor Jack to share with the congregation. But even though I have prophetic gifts, God has never told me He was giving me the OFFICE of Prophet. The same goes for the office of Teacher. Just because we share opinions on Christian forums doesn't make us teachers. A true teacher only teaches what God teaches them personally. I know two other teachers that also only teaches what they receive from God themselves.

 

[101G]

When or if Jesus gives us an office as in Ephesians 4 He will speak to us and tell us. I was driving through the Arizona desert on my way to a seminar in California and God spoke to me and told me He was giving me the office of Teacher. When I arrived at the seminar, I asked Pastor Jack Hayford to be the one to anoint me for the office. He and his son-in-law took me to a private room and anointed me. Years before when I was living in California and going to Pastor Jack's church I would receive prophecies and visions that I would pass on to Pastor Jack to share with the congregation. But even though I have prophetic gifts, God has never told me He was giving me the OFFICE of Prophet. The same goes for the office of Teacher. Just because we share opinions on Christian forums doesn't make us teachers. A true teacher only teaches what God teaches them personally. I know two other teachers that also only teaches what they receive from God themselves.

(Smile), ... I was Ordained to TEACH of God by the Laying on of Hand by the Pastor of the congregation were 101G use to attend. but was called of God to TEACH..... in HIM. for it is his Gift, not mind. 101G was called of God in the same conditions that the Priest and Prophet Ezekiel was called. Ezekiel 3:16-21.

understand, God ordain his teachers as well as anyone who do the work that he calls them to do. see 1 Corinthians 12:28 "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues."
that term "SET" is the Greek word, for ordain.

101G,

 

[charismaticlady]

(Smile), ... I was Ordained to TEACH of God by the Laying on of Hand by the Pastor of the congregation were 101G use to attend. but was called of God to TEACH..... in HIM. for it is his Gift, not mind. 101G was called of God in the same conditions that the Priest and Prophet Ezekiel was called. Ezekiel 3:16-21.

understand, God ordain his teachers as well as anyone who do the work that he calls them to do. see 1 Corinthians 12:28 "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues."
that term "SET" is the Greek word, for ordain.

101G,

Hopefully God honored your pastor's hands. One thing I know is that mine calling was supernatural. God spoke to me Himself. Later I asked God to cleanse my mind of all doctrines of man and denominations, and for Him to teach me the one and only true interpretation of His word and how they form a doctrine. I suggest you do the same. I heard of two men (father and son pastors) in Texas whom God told them to only teach what He tells them to preach. They have a ministry of sending out publications that a missionary friend of mind told me about. She said "I don't understand what you teach, but I receive mail from a church in Texas and I don't understand them either, but their doctrine is the same as yours. Sure enough I found out we teach the same thing.

So 101G make sure you teach the absolute truth from God.

 

[101G]

Later I asked God to cleanse my mind of all doctrines of man and denominations, and for Him to teach me the one and only true interpretation of His word and how they form a doctrine. I suggest you do the same.

he already did, this is why 101G teach "Diversified Oneness", no... nothing NEW, the same taught by the Lord Jesus himself.

I heard of two men (father and son pastors) in Texas whom God told them to only teach what He tells them to preach. They have a ministry of sending out publications that a missionary friend of mind told me about. She said "I don't understand what you teach, but I receive mail from a church in Texas and I don't understand them either, but their doctrine is the same as yours. Sure enough I found out we teach the same thing.

So 101G make sure you teach the absolute truth from God.

do they teach "Diversified Oneness" as 101G teach? and 101G is very sure of what he, God, has taught 101G. for 101G teach by the scriptures. 101G has no questions concerning the Godhead, none at all. for "Diversified Oneness" answer all, and 101G means all question about the Godhead. especially concerning Genesis 1:26, and the baptism of the Lord Jesus. ...... (smile). please note... not arrogant only confident.

101G.

 

[e v e]

The Creator of the universe is referred throughout Scripture over 5,000 times using singular pronouns, e.g., he, him, me, I. Trinitarians suppose all this should be subordinated to a verse or 2 where who God is talking to is ambiguous. For God so loved that world that he (singular) gave his (singular) only son.

A synonym for God is "father," such as Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. "Father" is a relational word that refers to a single individual and not a plurality. Although not a pronoun, "father" serves as a substitute for a singular being. Whereas there is a verse or 2 where God uses plural pronouns, there is not one single verse where God is referred to as the parents of Jesus. Yet, this has no significance for trinitarian dogma.

all the pronouns and context in hebrew for His Spirit are feminine, referring to His feminine Spirit,

the greek is irrelevant.

 

[101G]

Notice that ELOHIM was very specific in stating THEIR PLURALITY 3 times in this Foundational Genesis verse.

"Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness." = Pluraity spoken 3 times in One BREATH.

Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." just as you said, "singularity" spoken 3 times in One BREATH."
so that just negated your Plurality. so you might need to reload your beliefs.

101G.

 

[dwight92070]

all the pronouns and context in hebrew for His Spirit are feminine, referring to His feminine Spirit,

the greek is irrelevant.

That false teaching is irrelevant.

 

[Obadiah]

Why the Trinity is right... Participles

The doctrine of the Trinity has great importance to me because it is intimately connected with my salvation. Traditionally, Christians have believed that salvation, involving forgiveness of sin and reception of new life, is possible because the second person of the Godhead took on human form without giving up his deity.

In this incarnate form he bore the sins of humans as their substitute. So that he was able to present to the Father the perfect sacrifice for human sin, on the basis of which the Father then forgave their sins and the Holy Spirit conferred new life. If the doctrine of the Trinity is not true, then our understanding of salvation must be modified.

 

[e v e]

Why the Trinity is right... Participles

The doctrine of the Trinity has great importance to me because it is intimately connected with my salvation. Traditionally, Christians have believed that salvation, involving forgiveness of sin and reception of new life, is possible because the second person of the Godhead took on human form without giving up his deity.

In this incarnate form he bore the sins of humans as their substitute. So that he was able to present to the Father the perfect sacrifice for human sin, on the basis of which the Father then forgave their sins and the Holy Spirit conferred new life. If the doctrine of the Trinity is not true, then our understanding of salvation must be modified.

I think it needs modifying..
And that it needs to be expressed differently...

And that the vatican and augustine, expressed it to fit the Greek theology instead.

My understanding is that God is God, and His Spirit and Christ are His Hands... his servants...
and that all the sons and daughters are actual sons and daughters. This is the family of God.
They are each different Beings, yet all of them God and His Spirit and Christ partake in Deity, as that is His type of Nature,
and not the type of nature (on this earth).

Everything of His has His Nature and signature.

Every flower sighs with love when God appears and walks among them... Nature, His own creation, loves God and is imprinted to Him...

Compare the inert dead nature on this earth prison, which kills, deforms, and harms people... and which does not care, matter which has no life at all.

We entered Death... because we left the land He made for us, which all of which He declared Good.
Once we entered death we were no longer where he declared Good...

We entered DEATH just as He had warned. That is where we are NOW.

Christ, as His son, incarnated in this place, which He Himself says "I am not from here!!!!"
to make it legally possible for us to Return Home to Eden paradise, which will be the new creation,
which all His sons will rebuild with Christ, and rule with Christ.

Now it is legally possible to go Home. We will do so soon at what Paul calls the Change
and which many call rapture. That will be our De Facto saving, along with all the OT saints and early church saints...
and we will all be Restored to God, not just through our promise from Him and legally,
but actually... and the sons will walk and talk again in their Home , with God..
and again all that He declared to be Good will be restored...

Our fall desolated His Creation for man was meant to rule in Paradise!!! And we are not there now!
Instead we are here in a dystopia world filled with needs and wants of the flesh...

That will end soon and all of us will go Home.
Christ is indeed our Deity and will lead us,
and soon the sons, as all God's sons, along with Christ our Deity,
will Rule together in the Land God made for us.

 

[e v e]

It is lovely to be saved by Christ because of all He did for us...
but now the thing is to Go Home and complete step II,
which is to be saved from Here, which is not His earth,
but the corruption after the fall...
and when we go Home, for the sons to restore our Land,
which is eden paradise, and for us to live there
in our paradise, with God. And forget this current place of suffering
and insanity For Ever.

 

[e v e]

Our eden paradise will have no earthly type kings
and rules and laws...
for there will be no carnal flesh mind there..
and all will be listening to Him as our only God...

we will finally Be Free

 

[e v e]

As for the daughters..
the sons are made in God's image and given dominion
the daughters are made in the image of His Spirit
and will comfort and help us all
in Paradise...

that is the role of male and female.
to help each other
without a higher and a lower
but a lovely dance where each does
all the things they were made for...
and the job of the female is to love
and care for and nurture her family in paradise

and the job of the male is to protect and rule
and provide all the context for us...

it's about His family and not about some
Greek triangle of a primed mover
who is emotionally absent like a machine.
that is the greek version which the vatican adopted
at its councils and which Augustine directed.

 

[101G]

Why the Trinity is right... Participles

The doctrine of the Trinity has great importance to me because it is intimately connected with my salvation. Traditionally, Christians have believed that salvation, involving forgiveness of sin and reception of new life, is possible because the second person of the Godhead took on human form without giving up his deity.

In this incarnate form he bore the sins of humans as their substitute. So that he was able to present to the Father the perfect sacrifice for human sin, on the basis of which the Father then forgave their sins and the Holy Spirit conferred new life. If the doctrine of the Trinity is not true, then our understanding of salvation must be modified.

not saying that you're right or wrong but consider this. Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

his "OWN ARM" is his, God, "own arm" a separate and distinct person from him ,,, his OWN ARM? no. listen, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?" (GOD'S OWN ARM IS BEING REVEALED). Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him." Isaiah 53:3 "He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not." Isaiah 53:4 "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted." Isaiah 53:5 "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."

now, is the "he" and or the "him" in red, is this a separate person of GOD, yes or No. Remember, the "he" and or the "him" in red is God's ...... "OWN" ARM. now your answer please.

101G.

 

[charismaticlady]

he already did, this is why 101G teach "Diversified Oneness", no... nothing NEW, the same taught by the Lord Jesus himself.

do they teach "Diversified Oneness" as 101G teach? and 101G is very sure of what he, God, has taught 101G. for 101G teach by the scriptures. 101G has no questions concerning the Godhead, none at all. for "Diversified Oneness" answer all, and 101G means all question about the Godhead. especially concerning Genesis 1:26, and the baptism of the Lord Jesus. ...... (smile). please note... not arrogant only confident.

101G.

I haven't read about it. Does it believe 1 John 1:8 is about Christians? If so, then he doesn't know God nor is being taught by Him.

 

[101G]

I haven't read about it. Does it believe 1 John 1:8 is about Christians? If so, then he doesn't know God nor is being taught by Him.

Let's see, (smile). 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." supportive scripture, Hebrews 9:28 "So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation."

101G.

 

[charismaticlady]

Let's see, (smile). 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." supportive scripture, Hebrews 9:28 "So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation."

101G.

So, you DO NOT believe 1 John 1:8 is about born again Christians. Good, we are on the same page.

 

[101G]

So, you DO NOT believe 1 John 1:8 is about born again Christians. Good, we are on the same page.

(smile), please read, 1 John 1:3 "That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ."
hello? .......

101G.

 

[dwight92070]

(smile), please read, 1 John 1:3 "That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ."
hello? .......

101G.

That completely agrees with John 1:1 " ... and the Word was with God (distinct), and the Word was God (the same).