The Trinity and the Incarnation

[Peterlag]

Hebrews 9:24
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

The intercessor must have standing before God, just as defense attorneys must have standing before the court where they are pleading. Christ Jesus intercedes by placing his incorruptible life at the service of the Christian people to help in the form of a supporter. Christ has undertaken to see to it that this new covenant will not go unfulfilled since this function of the intercessor is related to the divine promise that is in the relation between God's sworn oath and us. Since God is one of the parties involved in the covenant and since there is no higher court that God could represent His covenant in relation to us; the only possible solution is to have Christ vouch for God’s oath to the new covenant. Since we are the other party involved in the covenant and since God has made His Son our brother and Lord, by way of the spirit of Christ within us; the only possible solution is to have Christ vouch for us in the relationship of this new covenant.

 

[civic]

Jesus explicitly taught in John 4 that only the true worshippers worship the Father. No mention of anyone else. No one has ever worshipped Jesus in spirit and truth.

John 4
23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”

That is not the only passage in the N.T. on worship. And one must not ever isolate a verse from the biblical narrative to form a doctrine/belief. There are many places where the Son is worshipped in Scripture.

 

[Keiw1]

That is not the only passage in the N.T. on worship. And one must not ever isolate a verse from the biblical narrative to form a doctrine/belief. There are many places where the Son is worshipped in Scripture.

Not in a real bible--Obeisance is correct for Jesus= the same Greek word that means worship to God=Proskeneu, also has 3 other meanings from Greek to English. Catholicism( 2Thess 2:3) put worship to Jesus to fit false council teachings.

 

[360watt]

That is not the only passage in the N.T. on worship. And one must not ever isolate a verse from the biblical narrative to form a doctrine/belief. There are many places where the Son is worshipped in Scripture.

Also 'worshipping in spirit and truth'..

Jesus is talking to a woman who believes the one to worship is the Messiah, 'he who will teach us all things' and Jesus identifies as the Messiah to the woman.

On top of that .. what kind of being can redefine how God is worshipped except God Himself?

Same concept goes for Jesus talking with the Pharisees about working on the Sabbath.

What kind of being redefines what is allowed on the Sabbath? Only God.

 

[MTMattie]

Not in a real bible--Obeisance is correct for Jesus= the same Greek word that means worship to God=Proskeneu, also has 3 other meanings from Greek to English. Catholicism( 2Thess 2:3) put worship to Jesus to fit false council teachings.

Always with "Not in a real bible" yet you never give us the "real bible" name you study from.

 

[Keiw1]

Always with "Not in a real bible" yet you never give us the "real bible" name you study from.

The New world translation= the only translators on Earth for years that had enough love and respect for Gods will( Matt 7:21) to put his name back where he wants it in over 7000 spots. Condemned by the ones using the altered translations( removal of Gods name) that mislead into darkness.

 

[Peterlag]

This guy says the Trinity folks are not going to see heaven...

I don't believe in his concept of hell, but I do believe he may be on to something concerning the Trinity, which includes the Oneness group since they are just a spin off from the Trinity.

https://youtu.be/Uxg_T-e-RDo?si=l2ldUnOTBjVuAiJk

 

[360watt]

This guy says the Trinity folks are not going to see heaven...

I don't believe in his concept of hell, but I do believe he may be on to something concerning the Trinity, which includes the Oneness group since they are just a spin off from the Trinity.

https://youtu.be/Uxg_T-e-RDo?si=l2ldUnOTBjVuAiJk

Salvation is:

1 * Knowing you are a sinner, deserving hell

2 * Believing that Jesus is God, that he lived sinless, died and rose again. That by believing in Him, you have forgiveness of sin, eternal life.

John 3:16,5:24, 6:40, 8:40, 10:28. Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:9-10.

 

[MTMattie]

The New world translation= the only translators on Earth for years that had enough love and respect for Gods will( Matt 7:21) to put his name back where he wants it in over 7000 spots. Condemned by the ones using the altered translations( removal of Gods name) that mislead into darkness.

Thank you ...

JW it is.

 

[Peterlag]

Salvation is:

1 * Knowing you are a sinner, deserving hell

2 * Believing that Jesus is God, that he lived sinless, died and rose again. That by believing in Him, you have forgiveness of sin, eternal life.

John 3:16,5:24, 6:40, 8:40, 10:28. Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:9-10.

No where in the Bible does it say we get salvation by knowing we are a sinner. And no where does it say we get salvation by believing that Jesus is God or that God rose himself from the dead. And John 3:16 does not say that Jesus is God or that we should believe he's God.

 

[Runningman]

Salvation is:

1 * Knowing you are a sinner, deserving hell

2 * Believing that Jesus is God, that he lived sinless, died and rose again. That by believing in Him, you have forgiveness of sin, eternal life.

John 3:16,5:24, 6:40, 8:40, 10:28. Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:9-10.

This sounds like you learned the "gospel" from one of those Bible tracts they leave sitting around in supermarkets, bus stops, and bathrooms.

 

[Runningman]

That is not the only passage in the N.T. on worship. And one must not ever isolate a verse from the biblical narrative to form a doctrine/belief. There are many places where the Son is worshipped in Scripture.

The true worshippers will worship the Father though. Is worshipping Jesus true worship? Scripture doesn't even hint at it. There is a way to translate the word for bowing and being prostrate to worship, but Jesus put up some serious guard rails with his definition of true God worship. He taught it is explicitly for the Father. No verses contradict this or override what Jesus said.

 

[civic]

The true worshippers will worship the Father though. Is worshipping Jesus true worship? Scripture doesn't even hint at it. There is a way to translate the word for bowing and being prostrate to worship, but Jesus put up some serious guard rails with his definition of true God worship. He taught it is explicitly for the Father. No verses contradict this or override what Jesus said.

I worship both the Father and the Son

 

[Runningman]

I worship both the Father and the Son

Ok. Me personally I am just going to follow what Jesus said what the true worshippers do. I want to be a true worshipper. I hope someday you will join us.

 

[360watt]

No where in the Bible does it say we get salvation by knowing we are a sinner. And no where does it say we get salvation by believing that Jesus is God or that God rose himself from the dead. And John 3:16 does not say that Jesus is God or that we should believe he's God.

John 3:16.

 

[360watt]

This sounds like you learned the "gospel" from one of those Bible tracts they leave sitting around in supermarkets, bus stops, and bathrooms.

Luke 18:13-14 KJV - And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

 

[Runningman]

Luke 18:13-14 KJV - And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Good advice! Jesus taught that one.

 

[Keiw1]

Thank you ...

JW it is.

Yes Jehovah witness-The darkness calls us a cult and those in darkness believe them.
The cult to Gods view= A house divided will not stand))= hundreds of confused trinity based religions that fail 100% 1Cor 1:10= Unity of thought( all of Gods 1 truth) no division)), yet the Jw,s pass that true mark 100%.

 

[Peterlag]

If...
1.) Jesus is God.​

2.) Holy Spirit is God.​

3.) What's the third one___________​

And don't give me a name or a title and then say I'm blind. Give me the third God.​

 

[Fred]

The true worshippers will worship the Father though.

The same Greek word for "worship" used in John 4:23 is properly rendered unto the Lord Jesus in John 9:38.