Peterlag
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The OP is showing the different ways the word "holy Spirit" is used in the English Bible. There is no holy spirit person.
The Holy Spirit
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This has already been refuted...many times.
Peterlag
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It has never been refuted... not even once. See OP
Peterlag
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I told you before I don't dodge Scripture. I'm an expert on the New Testament Scriptures and can explain any of it. Just ask instead of posting 25 verses and then blame me for not commenting on all 25. The "Holy Ghost" is God who spoke to them through the spirit of God that was in them. It's not rocket science. I have the spirit of God born within me and so the spirit can talk to me since it's part of me.
2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work where unto I have called them.
Peterlag
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I told you before I don't dodge Scripture. I'm an expert on the New Testament Scriptures and can explain any of it. Just ask instead of posting 25 verses and then blame me for not commenting on all 25. The "Holy Ghost" is God who spoke to them through the spirit of God that was in them. It's not rocket science. I have the spirit of God born within me and so the spirit can talk to me since it's part of me. You're accusing me personally like the devil a tad bit too much and so I will not be responding to you in the future.
2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work where unto I have called them.
civic
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You are conflating categories of beings.
The fact is only a living being can listen, speak, think, reason etc…..
The Father does the above
The Son does the above
The Holy Spirit does the above
The angels do the above
And man does the above
Nothing else has that ability.
Peterlag
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The Scriptures clearing say...
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. (This is not God in us or a part of the trinity in us)
As I posted in the OP... Almost every English version translates John 14:17 similarly to “even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him.” Translators capitalize “Spirit” and use “he” and “him”because of their theology. The Greek word “spirit” is neuter and the text could also be translated as “the spirit of truth” and paired with “which” and “it.” The New American Bible reads “which the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it.” Capitalizing the “H” and “S” and using the English pronoun “He” is appropriate when God is being referred to as “the Holy Spirit.” However, when we see the “h” and “s” having the lower case such as "the holy spirit" and all the pronouns referring to that spirit being impersonal such as “it” and “which” is when the subject under discussion is the gift of God’s nature.
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
It's not God's fault that the translators turned "it" into "him"
The Holy Spirit
Speaks, is quoted as speaking: John 16:13; Acts 1:16; 8:29; 10:19; 11:12; 13:2; 16:6; 20:23; 21:11; 28:25-27; 1 Tim. 4:1; Heb. 3:7-11; 10:15-17; 1 Pet. 1:11; Rev. 2:7, 11, 17, 29; 3:6, 13, 22.
Can be lied to: Acts 5:3
Can make decisions, judgments: Acts 15:28
Intercedes for Christians with the Father: Rom. 8:26
These are personal characteristics
101G
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the Holy Spirit is GOD himself. not a third person, but the ONLY TRUE GOD. the Holy Spirit is JESUS who is LORD/Father, and Lord/Son.
101G.
Runningman
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You and @Peterlag are both correct on the point of the Holy Spirit being God Himself, but there is too much to the contrary about Jesus being the Holy Spirit. As you can see, speaking against Jesus doesn't have the same sort of penalty as speaking against God does.
Matthew 12
32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Peterlag
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I don't know anyone who knows what it means to speak against God to the degree that it will not be forgiven. I do know that God is a badass. Nobody ever played with Him and lived. You were dead if you walked in the wrong room in the Temple or if you mistakenly bumped into the Ark. There's just no record of God ever humbling Himself.
101G
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First thank you.
Second, ERROR, there are many scriptures shows JESUS the almighty is the Holy Spirit. and here's why. 1. 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:" here "advocate" means,
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822
the advocate is the "COMFORTER", who is the Holy Spirit, the "INTERCESSOR" supportive scripture, Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."
and who is this intercessor?
Romans 8:34 "Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us." THIS IS PLAIN AS DAY.
because the .... Holy Spirit was in NATURAL FLESH, in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v. 1. to make empty.... STATE. but listen to the Scriptures. Matthew 12:31 "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."
Now Runningman THINK, is all sin against God? yes, now read Matthew 12:31 again, and is not the Holy Spirit God? Now what's the difference here? now, the next verse. Matthew 12:32 "And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."
is not a blasphemy is a heresy? yes, which means..... "belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine". so what one speak or write (even here on this forum) if it's not in line with the belief of the Lord Jesus, the scriptures, then they speak blasphemy. and it will not be forgiven.... correct.
your answer please.
101G suggest you be careful handling those scriptures.
101G
Runningman
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Of course. The Sovereign Lord bows to no man. He certainly has no favorites, but God can be for us or we can be favored.
Runningman
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Question then... is the Son of Man the same person as the Son of God?
101G
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since you don't KNOW... let's take this one step at a time. Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
Now, John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world." the Son of Man came from HEAVEN. NEXT, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." the Son of God is EARTHLY.
now think, the Son of God came out of Mary... flesh bone and ..... "BLOOD". Son of man came out of Heaven, ........ "Spirit". now think, did flesh bone and "BLOOD" come out of heaven? no. but the Son of man did. what did that just told you? the Son of God did not come out of heaven... hello.
now to understand. the Son of God is the body/temple/fashion/image that is the Son of God in which the Son of man came in. and that body, (the son of God), took on the identity of the spirit that was in it called the Son of Man..... hello did you follow that?
now test time. is your Body Runningman the PERSON, or the spirit in that body is called Runningman.... your answer please, which will answer your question.
101G.
Runningman
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Seems you are just dancing around the question. I already know the answer. This is for your benefit sir.
Is the Son of Man the Son of God? Yes or no.
101G
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(smile), since you cannot understand what 101G said, and since you said, you know, please tell us then.......
YIKES!101G.
