e v e
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He showed me everything and that He did show me, I cannot prove.
God is Plural
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All the best and continue to seek him out in faith.
God is Spirit.
We one day to will be in like manner; consider you are a sister, I’m sure you’ll have some type of characteristic of knowledge in which you would be a sister to me even in heaven… this something intriguing or interesting to say the least. Our spiritual mansion will be our habitual environment which is gonna be our new residence after leaving here rising again in the spiritual form.
I’m sure we can tell Abraham from Isaac, and Joseph, David, Rahab, Mary… etc…
There isn’t any functioning form though of recreation which is able to be done here. So that is something to consider… knowing grandma is grandma, and grandpa is grandpa, in the Kingdom of Heaven.
While God has not definitively seen form… all we can say is “He” or “It” exists. Even if you may find that to be belittling, or not up to your own standard.
Always remember to seek God out in faith, and remember, that is what pleases him. And to know him, and his Son is eternal life.
take care
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So you are admitting that you dont read K.Greek or Hebrew.
That explains why you should not be trying to pretend you do. @Johann
So, God is "Male' ..........."Jesus" who is God, is "male"............. the "Holy Spirit" is Male..."Adam is male".. .and all the angels are 'male".
civic
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correct not female.
civic
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Jesus many times calls the Holy Spirit- HIM. HE, HIS just like Jesus calls the Father HE, HIS, HIM and that Jesus is also HE,HIM, HIS- all male in gender, not female.Allow @synergy to assist you-since you are Grammar illiterate re the Scriptures. I have NO desire to have a conversation with you.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was tohu vavohu (without form, and void); and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Ruach Elohim was hovering upon the face of the waters.
והארץ היתה תהו ובהו וחשׁך על־פני תהום ורוח אלהים מרחפת על־פני המים׃ תהום
בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית H7225בָּרָ֣א H1254אֱלֹהִ֑ים H430אֵ֥ת H853הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם H8064וְאֵ֥ת H853הָאָֽרֶץ׃ H776 2 וְהָאָ֗רֶץ H776הָיְתָ֥ה H1961תֹ֙הוּ֙ H8414וָבֹ֔הוּ H922וְחֹ֖שֶׁךְ
and~AT הָאָרֶץthe~LAND 2 וְהָאָרֶץand~the~LAND הָיְתָה H1961she~did~EXIST תֹהוּ H8414CONFUSION וָבֹהוּ H922and~UNFILLED וְחֹשֶׁךְ H2822and~DARKNESS עַל H5921 H5922UPON פְּנֵי H3942 H6440FACE~s תְהוֹם H8415DEEP.SEA וְרוּחַ H7305 H7307and~WIND אֱלֹהִים H430Elohiym מְרַחֶפֶת H7363much~FLUTTER~ing(fs) עַל H5921 H5922UPON פְּנֵי H3942 H6440FACE~s הַמָּיִם H4325the~WATER~s2
Conj-w+N-csc (BSB Morphology)
Conjunctive waw
+ Noun - common singular construct
Lemma: רוּחַ
Word: וְר֣וּחַ
Transliteration: wə·rū·aḥ
English: and the Spirit
A common mistake made with regard to the Holy Spirit is referring to the Spirit as "it," something most translations of the Bible are careful to avoid. The Holy Spirit is a person. He has the attributes of personhood, performs the actions of persons, and has personal relationships. He has insight (1 Corinthians 2:10-11). He knows things, which requires an intellect (Romans 8:27). He has a will (1 Corinthians 12:11). He convicts of sin (John 16:8). He performs miracles (Acts 8:39). He guides (John 16:13). He intercedes between persons (Romans 8:26). He is to be obeyed (Acts 10:19-20). He can be lied to (Acts 5:3), resisted (Acts 7:51), grieved (Ephesians 4:30), blasphemed (Matthew 12:31), even insulted (Hebrews 10:29). He relates to the apostles (Acts 15:28) and to each member of the Trinity (John 16:14; Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). The personhood of the Holy Spirit is presented without question in the Bible, but what about gender?
Linguistically, it is clear that masculine theistic terminology dominates the Scriptures. Throughout both testaments, references to God use masculine pronouns. Specific names for God (e.g., Yahweh, Elohim, Adonai, Kurios, Theos, etc.) are all in the masculine gender. God is never given a feminine name or referred to using feminine pronouns. In the New Testament, the Holy Spirit is referred to by the Greek word for "spirit" (pneuma), a gender-neutral term. In the Old Testament, the Hebrew word for "spirit" (ruach) is feminine (see Genesis 1:2). But the gender of a word in Greek or Hebrew has nothing to do with gender identity.
Theologically speaking, since the Holy Spirit is God, we can make some statements about Him from general statements about God. God is spirit as opposed to physical or material. God is invisible and spirit (i.e., non-body) - (John 4:24; Luke 24:39; Romans 1:20; Colossians 1:15; 1 Timothy 1:17). This is why no material thing was ever to be used to represent God (Exodus 20:4). If gender is an attribute of the body, then a spirit does not have gender. God, in His essence, has no gender.
Gender identifications of God in the Bible are not unanimous. Many people think that the Bible presents God in exclusively male terms, but this is not the case. God is said to give birth in the book of Job and portrays Himself as a mother in Isaiah. Jesus described the Father as being like a woman in search of a lost coin in Luke 15 (and Himself as a "mother hen" in Matthew 23:37). In Genesis 1:26-27 God said, "Let us make humankind in our image, after our likeness," and then "God created humankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them, male and female he created them." Thus, the image of God was male and female - not simply one or the other. This is further confirmed in Genesis 5:2, which can be literally translated as "He created them male and female; when they were created, he blessed them and named them Adam." The Hebrew term "adam" means "man" - the context showing whether it means "man" (as opposed to woman) or "mankind" (in the collective sense). Therefore, to whatever degree humanity is made in the image of God, gender is not an issue.
Masculine imagery in revelation is not without significance, however. A second time that God was specifically said to be revealed via a physical image was when Jesus was asked to show the Father to the disciples in John chapter 14. He responds in verse 9 by saying, “The person who has seen me has seen the Father!" Paul makes it clear that Jesus was the exact image of God in Colossians 1:15 calling Jesus "the image of the invisible God." This verse is couched in a section that demonstrates Christ’s superiority over all creation. Most ancient religions believed in a pantheon - both gods and goddesses - that were worthy of worship. But one of Judeo-Christianity’s distinctives is its belief in a supreme Creator. Masculine language better relates this relationship of creator to creation. As a man comes into a woman from without to make her pregnant, so God creates the universe from without rather than birthing it from within . . . As a woman cannot impregnate herself, so the universe cannot create itself. Paul echoes this idea in 1 Timothy 2:12-14 when he refers to the creation order as a template for church order.
In the end, whatever our theological explanation, the fact is that God used exclusively masculine terms to refer to Himself and almost exclusively masculine terminology even in metaphor. Through the Bible He taught us how to speak of Him, and it was in masculine relational terms. So, while the Holy Spirit is neither male nor female in His essence, He is properly referred to in the masculine by virtue of His relation to creation and biblical revelation. There is absolutely no biblical basis for viewing the Holy Spirit as the “female” member of the Trinity.
Is the Holy Spirit a “He,” “She,” or “It,” male, female, or neuter? | GotQuestions.org
Is the Holy Spirit a “He,” “She,” or “It,” male, female, or neuter? Does the Holy Spirit have a gender?www.gotquestions.org
2. The Hebrew Term for Spirit Is in the Female Gender and Masculine in Aramaic!
Furthermore, ruach, the word for spirit in Hebrew, is in the feminine gender! This certainly does not mean the Holy Spirit is a female! The fact that it is in the feminine gender highlights the problem. It is feminine in one language and neuter in another.
But there is more. In Aramaic, the language in which a small portion of Scripture is composed, the word for “spirit” is in the masculine gender!
These three languages are the languages of Holy Scripture. Obviously they are not trying to teach us about the personal gender of Holy Spirit.
Why Is the Holy Spirit Spoken of in the Neuter Gender? by Don Stewart
Don Stewart :: Why Is the Holy Spirit Spoken of in the Neuter Gender?www.blueletterbible.org
Bible Basics 101.
Johann
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already explained that-and behold is on ignore.
101G
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Behold
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101G
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the term Man has no single gender, 101G speaks of H120 אָדָם 'adam (aw-dawm') n-m., which include both Male and Female.
101G.
Behold
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Man is made in the "image of God".
Man = Male
1st Adam = Male
2nd Adam = Male
Holy Spirit : Male
How do you know? Because "GOD is A Spirit" and JESUS "is THAT Spirit"... = Male.
All Angels are : Male, and they are "sons of God"/
e v e
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all this recalled to me of an evangelical on carm who concluded (correctly if one follows the corrupt kjv!) that there is no function for female in heaven whatsoever. Females are not relevant except, as augustine noted, for sex.
an all male heaven or one filled with ugly ghosts and ITs is exactly how greek pagan theology states.
and augustine agrees! he was correct as what is the pagan greek view that he plastered on christianity that females are just for procreation ...
oh and that God's spirit is an IT...just like plato and the pagans posit of 'god'
^^^^^^ ... this thread is full of greek pagan views.
wow. i am relieved not to believe ANY of that.
thank you for saving me from you. I have no interest in your beliefs since it is it what God said.
an all male heaven or one filled with ugly ghosts and ITs is exactly how greek pagan theology states.
and augustine agrees! he was correct as what is the pagan greek view that he plastered on christianity that females are just for procreation ...
oh and that God's spirit is an IT...just like plato and the pagans posit of 'god'
^^^^^^ ... this thread is full of greek pagan views.
wow. i am relieved not to believe ANY of that.
thank you for saving me from you. I have no interest in your beliefs since it is it what God said.
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e v e
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thank you but i am not be some trace of my current body in heaven. i will be restored to my original being and be in a gorgeous body just as adam and eve had before the fall (which is not the current type bodies we now have!)
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i will have my restored body we received in eden back. The body we lost because of adam. Fully me and fully recognizable and fully female.
it will be the eden land lost because of adam that His 144k sons and daughters are restored to.
the girls are in the image of God's feminine spirit and the males are in the image of God.
yes since they will be in their original bodies God gave them before the fall.
I am sure mary is very pretty as are all the girls.
true since this is the sin realm, flesh
according to kjv (corrupt) and septuagint (corrupt)
He yes.
IT - that is a pagan view.
It insults God as does the modern christian view.
the modern christian view is the blasphemy.
thanks.
thank you for a genuine reply.
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e v e
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i hate to say this but the modern christian has been trained to view the concept of heaven like a greek heaven. its sad.God is Spirit.
We one day to will be in like manner; consider you are a sister, I’m sure you’ll have some type of characteristic of knowledge in which you would be a sister to me even in heaven… this something intriguing or interesting to say the least. Our spiritual mansion will be our habitual environment which is gonna be our new residence after leaving here rising again in the spiritual form.
I’m sure we can tell Abraham from Isaac, and Joseph, David, Rahab, Mary… etc…
There isn’t any functioning form though of recreation which is able to be done here. So that is something to consider… knowing grandma is grandma, and grandpa is grandpa, in the Kingdom of Heaven.
While God has not definitively seen form… all we can say is “He” or “It” exists. Even if you may find that to be belittling, or not up to your own standard.
Always remember to seek God out in faith, and remember, that is what pleases him. And to know him, and his Son is eternal life.
That would be the spiritual body spoke of in 1 Corinthians 15, Paul to the Corinthians the first time he wrote to them.
You would be storing treasures in heaven, which would be a mansion which is given to all people by Yahweh… therefore yes, whatever you decide to do concerning between you and God, with Yeshua who makes you right with him… concerns your own “glory” which you do receive…
1 Corinthians 15:40-46 YLT98
Don’t know.
Don’t know. I believe personally all people are in a spiritually dead state until they decide to rise again with the Lord Yeshua, in which as believer is risen from a life once dead, to a life that brings forth newness of life…
I digress… I don’t know but only glimpses and shadows and types of what is presented to come about when dying here and moving forward there, if a person is judged they will be given a resurrection of condemnation, some resurrection of life, some will receive a resurrection that is more than just the normal one which Paul strived to obtain by the end of his lifetime, though during his life time he had yet to believe that he had achieved it fully until his final days before being murdered for his faith, for the Lord Yeshua…
It sure was a lot different if me or you stepped in there shoes… may have been stoned to death? Regardless Male or Female… in face of the Law which Yahweh gave them; Death is what was faced… like a disobedient child of another, was to be to put to death…
Just sharing, of course. Even if you disagree with me, if I can not be civil and respectful to you. Then there would be no reason to respond. I told a man yesterday night, that while I may not fully believe his view he was sharing with me, even suggesting that I believe Jesus has already came back and the end times have come and passed.
He said, “if that is all you’re gonna say, then perhaps we should just quit talking about it.” I told him “you could be right, idk, all I do know is it’s about faith towards Yahweh and loving him first and loving your neighbor as yourself, in agape love which is a love that Yahweh is, and resides by Paul’s definition, also found in Corinthians, 13.
My thoughts are Yahweh has reconciled the world unto himself and restoring the prior way of life which Adam and Eve has with the LORD, all people have been restored in that aspect spiritually…
Will they build on their measure of faith upon one brick to another on the foundation of the Lord Yeshua?
Romans 12:1-5 YLT98
I don’t know.
I don’t know if that really matters… it would be vainglorious, but again I don’t know what heaven looks like other than some glimpses here and there. Even so..,
I don’t believe a person from the heart who believes in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, and loves God and love others and they are off here or there in some theology doctrine doesn’t make a person have less of the spirit of Yahweh in and with them… because the fruits of the labor of Yahweh in faith in his raised Son, is and always with be of faith and love.
While people have differing views, counterpoints, or just share some thing pertaining to a view.
Doesn’t make a person not a believe in the raised Son of God. You know?
I love to say, it’s Yahweh, who is looking at the heart. The only concept that is gone off concerning the restored Eden, is founded when all things are new, and today the administration we are under is Christ. No longer the former way of life pertaining to the Jewish people who lived under the Law they had and were under which was paid of by Jesus!
Amen.
Have a good one Eve.
e v e
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yes but it is physical, has a physicality, but not the current physicality of this fallen earth reality.
for me the saving is at the Change paul talks about to the imperishable physicality we will Be Restored to
when we return to eden paradise.
i realize there is a legal sense of His promise as a saving which most christianity views as 'the' saved situation. but since we are still in the fallen reality = this cosmos/world/earth then that saving many feel already occurred is a Promise to be saved, a hope
being saved is and will be when we are restored to our original physicality and to eden paradise and to God.
i don't know what this is about.
almost all modern christianity will miss the rapture soon.
I think the core disagreement i might have with you is the same with everyone else here ... that God did not create this reality we are in, and He did not create this body.
the left behind will know they were
the sun will have gone dark
and demon armies will arrive
His remnant will go Home to eden paradise
and be restored to their body made by God lost after the fall (because the current earth is not of Him. Note christ said I am not from here. Of course not.)
Christ's only goal is to restore the souls imprisoned here who of Him.
not all here are of God.
the world (=this earth) is not of or from God .
I don't use the kjv and haven't heard that vainglorious concept. i just know all the girls in Eden will be very sweet and pretty and are not ghosts or ITs.
many are spelled in the carnal mind.
=theology.
He will still get them out most of them
but they will suffer tribulation.
yes, like I said, most are spelled but even so Christ will eventually get them out.
His souls soon, certainly will be under Christ once we are raptured off this ugly rock and return to our birthright and eden paradise.
i only know about eden souls -- such as eve, moses, His 144k.
thank you.
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e v e
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had a typo, so, correction:
I have no interest in these beliefs argued around since it is Not what God said.
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101G
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WELL LET'S CHECK THE RECORD. see, the woman is a "ADAM". supportive scripture, Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;" Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created."
here "Adam" is H120 אָדָם 'adam (aw-dawm') n-m.
ruddy i.e. a human being (an individual or the species, mankind, etc.).
[from H119]
KJV: X another, + hypocrite, + common sort, X low, man (mean, of low degree), person.
Root(s): H119
so, you better try again.
101G.
e v e
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male is covering and protection of female. as such, females take the name of their male.
also, all references to His spirit are feminine. check your hebrew.
God is not an all male pagan greek club. He is our only God and He has a family . This is why family is a thing.
The sons will all be restored to their original nature and rule with Christ.
No adoption.
Male is speech.
Female is spoken. They are one.
The real trinity is God, as our only God
and His family as part of Him
His Spirit our mother
and all the sons and daughters.
The daughters are the comforter of male
and in the image of our mother.
the sons are in His image and will rule
eden paradise again again with Christ.
