APAK
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So Fred you are saying with simple double substitution, that the Angel of the Covenant is the Redeemer (of evil - from sin) that is Christ. I do not agree, although it's an interesting concept.
Why The Trinity is Wrong: Pronouns
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First, it ought to be acknowledged that the Messenger of YHWH is being properly worshiped in Genesis 48:16.
101G
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you do believe God ... right? Listen and LEARN, Deuteronomy 32:39 "See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
see how God let men be LIERS.
101G know why God is used in John 1:1c and Not "god".... (smile)......
YIKES! ........ and U want to KNOW? lol, lol, lol. Oh dear101G.
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101G
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Isaiah is God? again don't be silly.
now to all my trinitarians, and Unitarians, and no-tarians and whoever else out there.......... 101G ask, is the ONE person the Word in John 1:1 is the same one person in Isaiah 44:24 WHO MADE ALL THINGS a Yes or no is only required.
your answers please.
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101G
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see, this is where the rubber meets the road at. if one believes God over here in scripture, then they must believe God over there in scripture, else they lie. just as the apostle, if God LIED over here, (God forbid), then he must LIE over there, Else God is true and men are made liars.
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101G
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let's look at these verses and come to a reasonable conclusion that all can agree on.
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
now the reasonable conclusion is that the "LORD", and the "Word" is the ONE SAME PERSON who is the ONLY "ONE" True and Living God that "MADE ALL THINGS"
101G.
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
now the reasonable conclusion is that the "LORD", and the "Word" is the ONE SAME PERSON who is the ONLY "ONE" True and Living God that "MADE ALL THINGS"
101G.
101G
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Ok, no takers?
Knowing this, that the “LORD” is the “Word”, then the “LORD” in Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" is the LORD JESUS, "WHO MADE ALL THINGS", without flesh, without bone, and without blood. Because he was made …. Flesh in John 1:14. unseen …. now seen.
101G.
Knowing this, that the “LORD” is the “Word”, then the “LORD” in Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" is the LORD JESUS, "WHO MADE ALL THINGS", without flesh, without bone, and without blood. Because he was made …. Flesh in John 1:14. unseen …. now seen.
101G.
101G
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Now lets separate the TRUE Believer from the sometime believer...... JESUS in the OT is "LORD", who "MADE ALL THINGS" as the Ordinal FIRST. and is not the "LORD", all caps is the Father? yes, which means JESUS is the Father, as well as the Son. for the LORD who "MADE ALL THINGS" is Father, who is the "Word" in John 1
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Do you believe in modalism? If not, how are you different than a modalist?
101G
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First no, second, ...... The ECHAD of God is Revealed in his EQUAL SHARE of Himself in Flesh...... (smile)....
101G.
From dictionary.com:
Ordinal:
noun
- a directory of ecclesiastical services.
- a book containing the forms for the ordination of priests, consecration of bishops, etc.
101G
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to all,
as the apostle James said, if you break one commandment, then you have broke all. so is one commandment, here (SCRIPTURE) is wrong, then all of God Word is Wrong, else all is RIGHT. if John 1:3 is TRUE as Isaiah 44:24 is True, them men doctrines is wrong, meaning they has gotten all of the bible wrong...... YIKES!
101G.
as the apostle James said, if you break one commandment, then you have broke all. so is one commandment, here (SCRIPTURE) is wrong, then all of God Word is Wrong, else all is RIGHT. if John 1:3 is TRUE as Isaiah 44:24 is True, them men doctrines is wrong, meaning they has gotten all of the bible wrong......
YIKES!101G.
101G
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ERROR, as in NUMBERS.... Oh my God......
do you know the different in Ordinal Numbers vs Cardinal Numbers?
101G.
Send me the Bible verses that make your point.ERROR, as in NUMBERS.... Oh my God......
do you know the different in Ordinal Numbers vs Cardinal Numbers?
101G.
101G
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101G will do better 2 scripture.
First: Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
ONE: H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258
Second: Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
Beginning: H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218
FIRST in PLACE, "Ordinal First"....... (smile), now look up the term "BEGINNING" in John 1:1
my source for these definitions is the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments
101G.
Monotheism.
Deut 6:4 says "one", not "first".
Gen 1:1 says "beginning", not "first".
So what is your point?
