Why The Trinity is Wrong: Pronouns

Wrangler said:
This is a blatant lie since I've pointed out numerous times that there are dozens of lords in the Bible.



I notice you make this claim but do not actually provide Scripture.

We all know the reason. Scripture does not state what you claim. Trinitarians desperately want it accepted that every reference to the lord is the Sovereign God but it is not true. Jude and Paul both refer to God (who alone is the Father) separately from Jesus.


May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.
Ephesians 1:2

I am writing to all who have been called by God the Father, who loves you and keeps you safe in the care of Jesus Christ.
Jude 1:1
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Nice dodge so you cannot find any verse where the Father says I Am God- good to know

And just as Jesus is said to be the One Lord, Only Lord excluding anyone and everyone else from being the true Lord. This must be true sine you use the exact same argument for the Father being the One God, the Only God excluding all others.

moral of the story- you cannot have your cake and eat it too as they say.

I have taken down your aberrant argument and proved its wrong.

hope this helps !!!
 
civic said:
Nice dodge so you cannot find any verse where the Father says I Am God- good to know
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I'm not dodging anything. You are. And you are moving the goal posts.

The Father did say he is God many, many times in the OT. But I did not show that in my previous post. I showed how there is only God the Father in the NT. There is only one true God, YHWH, who we relate to as Father.


15 God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel: Yahweh,[a] the God of your ancestors—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.

This is my eternal name,
my name to remember for all generations.
Exodus 3:15 (NLT)


I am Yahweh (the LORD, not lord), and there is no other.
There is no other Elohim (God) besides me.
Isaiah 45:5 (NOG, Emphasis added)
 
Wrangler said:
I'm not dodging anything. You are. And you are moving the goal posts.

The Father did say he is God many, many times in the OT. But I did not show that in my previous post. I showed how there is only God the Father in the NT. There is only one true God, YHWH, who we relate to as Father.


15 God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel: Yahweh,[a] the God of your ancestors—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.

This is my eternal name,
my name to remember for all generations.
Exodus 3:15 (NLT)


I am Yahweh (the LORD, not lord), and there is no other.
There is no other Elohim (God) besides me.
Isaiah 45:5 (NOG, Emphasis added)
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Sorry we are discussing the NT not the old. Your references are easily disproved anyways but I’m not going down this rabbit trails. I have entire threads with OPs refuting your post.
 
101G said:
"W" who do you believe the Lord Jesus is?
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Jesus is son of God, the liberating King, the Savior of the world, Anointed by God, Priest of God, Apostle of God, Prophet of God, Servant of God, Word of God, Lamb of God, subservient to God who:
  • gave Jesus all authority,
  • sent Jesus
  • told Jesus what to say and how to say it
  • made Jesus lord
  • made him Christ
  • refused Jesus prayer to have the cup of crucifixion pass from him
  • raised Jesus from the dead
  • gave Jesus revelation
 
101G said:
Read Isaiah 63:5
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I read Isaiah 45:21 (CJB). These are the words of Isaiah:

There is no other God besides me,
a just God and a Savior;
there is none besides me.

Do you suppose Isaiah is claiming to be God in this passage? If not, why not since Jesus did not say such strong things yet you claim he is God?
 
civic said:
And just as Jesus is said to be the One Lord
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But Jesus is not said to be not the LORD God. We have one POTUS, one Governor, one mayor. This does not make mayor the POTUS.

I know you desparately want to equate the dozens of lords in Scripture with the one true LORD God. The text just does not support your deepest yearnings.
 
Wrangler said:
Jesus is son of God, the liberating King, the Savior of the world, Anointed by God, Priest of God, Apostle of God, Prophet of God, Servant of God, Word of God, Lamb of God, subservient to God who:
  • gave Jesus all authority,
  • sent Jesus
  • told Jesus what to say and how to say it
  • made Jesus lord
  • made him Christ
  • refused Jesus prayer to have the cup of crucifixion pass from him
  • raised Jesus from the dead
  • gave Jesus revelation
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OK, Good, ........... but is he NOT GOD HIMSELF in Flesh. Scripture, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
now please tell us who is EQUAL "WITH" God? before you answer, Isaiah 40:25 "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One." now read Philippians 2:6 again.

101G.
 
Wrangler said:
I read Isaiah 45:21 (CJB). These are the words of Isaiah:

There is no other God besides me,
a just God and a Savior;
there is none besides me.

Do you suppose Isaiah is claiming to be God in this passage? If not, why not since Jesus did not say such strong things yet you claim he is God?
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because he is GOD "SHARED" .... EQUALLY in Flesh in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state....... (smile). see above.

101G.
 
Wrangler said:
Right! Not equal to God is not God.
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not God? then you violate John 1:1c, "and the Word was God". you want to try that again....... (smile).

now, this, is he the Word/Christ/Lord/Jesus ...... "EQUAL WITH GOD?" , before you answer, see Phil. 2:6 again.

101G.
 
Wrangler said:
I did not realize you believe Isaiah is God in the flesh also.
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why be silly, nor you believe that..... (smile), lol, lol, lol. now back to reality, is not the Him, God, in Isaiah 53 the he, the Son who is JESUS there as both? .... your answer please.

101G.
 
Wrangler said:
I read Isaiah 45:21 (CJB). These are the words of Isaiah:

There is no other God besides me,
a just God and a Savior;
there is none besides me.

Do you suppose Isaiah is claiming to be God in this passage? If not, why not since Jesus did not say such strong things yet you claim he is God?
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101G said:
why be silly, nor you believe that..... (smile), lol, lol, lol.
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I'd like an explanation for why do you do not believe that Isaiah is God when he said he is God and there is no other God besides him.
 
Wrangler said:
Right! The word was god, not Jesus. Nice try!
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John 1:14 -

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory
of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."

What destroys someone like you is someone with truth who possesses patience.
 
GeneZ said:
To let all the ancient pagan religions know that the plurality used for God is not the same as they lay claim to for their many gods!
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Well that's one view, although I not agree with it. The Hebrew, learned or not, never thought of a compound one or a unity of one in Elohim etc. They only recognized and worshipped the only one person as the Most High, not 2 or more persons as their one God.
 
APAK said:
Well that's one view, although I not agree with it.
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Too bad for you.

It was one reason for the Jewish Shema! Which was surrounded by pagan nations.
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Shema Ysra'l Adonoy Eluhenu, Adonoy Echad!​
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Hear O Israel! The Lord (1) our God(2) the Lord (3) is One! ​

"One" = can be rendered - "Unique."

I still remember how I used to love singing that in synagogue on Saturday morning service.

Unbeliever Jewish apologists began formulating what you are being snagged into after Christianity began declaring the Deity of Christ.

Why not? Its a logical thing for an opposing unbeliever to do.
 

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