Why The Trinity is Wrong: Pronouns
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101G
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101G has no point to make, it's been made by God already.... (smile). so don't worry, from your answer you have no clue who God is or what he is... (smile), good day....
YIKES!101G.
Just like your picture, you continue to remain a secret agent in your mind. Good night.101G has no point to make, it's been made by God already.... (smile). so don't worry, from your answer you have no clue who God is or what he is... (smile), good day....
101G.
101G
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did not God made all things including the duck... LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh Dear.If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck and flies like a duckitās a duck
but putting aside the humor, you cannot believe it's the same one person in John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24? say it for the record.
101G.
Wrangler
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For some reason, trinitarians pretend John 1:14 says God became flesh.
The reason is John 1:1 "the Word was God". Crack open your Bible and you will see that phrase.
101G
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now crack open your bible, and is not the same one person who is God in John 1:1 and 1:3 is the same one Person who MADE ALL THINGS in Isaiah 44:24? now crack that open....... (smile).....
101G.
Wrangler
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Right. The word was god, not Jesus. It's so odd that you keep making this substitution in your mind. It's as though you cannot grasp that the word in John 1:1 literally refers to God's thoughts (expressed) and not another Being.
Permit me to introduce you to the Word of God Person:
Rev 19:11 And I saw Heaven opened. And behold, a white horse! And He sitting on him was called Faithful and True. And in righteousness He judges and makes war.
Rev 19:12 And His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head many crowns. And He had a name written, one that no one knew except Himself.
Rev 19:13 And He had been clothed in a garment dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
101G
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did you not get the E-Mail? why are you still substituting? Deuteronomy 32:39 "See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
if no "god" is with him, and the Word is "WITH" God and is God, then COMMON SENSE dictates the Word in John 1:1 is no "god". COMMON SENSE..... PLEASE.
101G.
101G
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finally a ray of HOPE, now apply the same COMMON SENSE to John 1:1 & 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24
101G.
Wrangler
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Again with this nonsense! Permit me to introduce you to eisegesis.
You cannot just impose what Rev 19:11 says on John 1:1 AS IF they are making the same point. Not every use of the word "word" in Scripture refers to Jesus and John 1:1 is one of those times.
Rev 19:11 is refers to a title, "Word of God."
John 1:1 refers not in a title but general use of the word "word" - with no reference to the title whatsoever!
The idea that 1,000's of singular pronouns ought to be cast aside by such extreme eisegesis is absurd. What is the title of this thread? (HINT: It's not about abusing titles).
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civic
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No the Bible say so in John 1:1- the Word was God. Bible Truths 101.
101G
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You have introduced me many times to your eisegesis and what you wrote certainly qualifies again as such. Who would ever think, based on Rev 19:11-13, that the Word of God who was God is just a "thought"?
GeneZ
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Not true, Wrangler.
āDid God really say, āYou must not eat from any tree in the gardenā?ā
That reminds me of a mentality to be found in Genesis 3:4-5.
āYou will not certainly die,ā the serpent said to the woman.
āFor God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be
opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.ā
Interesting how the serpent did not blink.
Lying came so easy for him.
Its a disappointment for me to see it taking place.
But?
What the heck...
It keeps you off the streets.
Lying is a tactic used for shocking and stunning young naive believers.
But one must lie to himself to think its going to keep working for the mature.
God is giving you more time.
Just enough to leave you without excuse.
You can not defy Justice.
.......................
Have you seen post 202?
APAK
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Yeah I have Fred...'properly worship' I agree, as the triple emphasis with the 3 different descriptions of the Father God is evident in Gen 48:15-16. And Christ was never at the scene at that time, as he became the instrument of what the two descriptions of God and angel of God represented centuries later. Christ fulfilled all these three element and description of God.
So, the 1st mention of God is described as the author of salvation Hal-Elohim and, the 2nd time, the God who became a shepherd(fed) his people, and 3rd, the angel of God who represent the close trusted friend that redeems and saves. The same angel of God's presence is presented in Isaiah 63:8-11 and Gen 16:7-11.
(Gen 48:15) He blessed Joseph, and said, The God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, the God who has fed me all my life long to this day,
(Gen 48:16) the Angel who has ever redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads, and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac. Let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth. (NEV)
(Gen 16:7) The angel of Yahweh found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.
(Gen 16:8) He said, Hagar, Saraiās handmaid, where did you come from? Where are you going? She said, I am fleeing from the face of my mistress Sarai.
(Gen 16:9) The angel of Yahweh said to her, Return to your mistress, and submit yourself under her hands.
(Gen 16:10) The angel of Yahweh said to her, I will greatly multiply your seed, that they will not be numbered for multitude.
(Gen 16:11) The angel of Yahweh said to her, Behold, you are with child, and will bear a son. You shall call his name Ishmael, because Yahweh has heard your affliction. (NEV)
(Isa 63:8) For He said, Surely, they are My people, children who will not deal falsely: so He was their Saviour.
(Isa 63:9) In all their affliction He was afflicted, and the angel of His presence saved them: in His love and in His pity he redeemed them; and He bore them, and carried them all the days of old.
(Isa 63:10) But they rebelled and grieved His holy spirit: therefore He was turned to be their enemy, and He Himself fought against them.
(Isa 63:11) Then He remembered the days of old, Moses and His people, saying, Where is He who brought them up out of the sea with the shepherds of His flock? Where is He who put His holy spirit in their midst? (NEV)
GeneZ
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Playing? Blind man's bluff....
There are other verses that explicitly declare Jesus to be God. As well, verse showing the Holy Spirit to be God.
Yet? You must keep those locked up in "your closet" so you can play your "pronoun game."
And, I bet you are just itching for me to tell you what passages show Jesus and the Holy Spirit as God?
So, you can try out your talking points you have been trained to use against Spirit filled Christians.
You are going to be so sorry when your name is called.....
