Why The Trinity is Wrong: Juxtaposition

[Wrangler]

Sounds like the Jehovah's Witness argument.

Ad Hominem. You lost the argument.

 

[Wrangler]

If you worship Jesus, then your are worshiping a man who you believe IS NOT God.

So which one of us is committing idolatry? Pretty obvious.

I worship Jesus’ God. It is pretty obvious which of us is violating the 1C and 2C.

 

[Behold]

Behold, now read scripture and the words with knowledge of their meaning along with contex

But i do understand them.
I do understand "God manifested in the flesh" who was the "WORD" who "was God", in John 1.

One day, you might also.

 

[Wrangler]

Thomas said.. upon seeing Jesus resurrected...>"My Lord and MY GOD"... and here is the thing, @Wrangler ......Jesus didn't correct Him.

As if he has the burden to correct an exclamatory statement. Jesus did not correct those in Nazareth who said he was the son of Joseph.

 

[Diserner]

My Pastor said in Sunday's sermon that people are not moved to Christ because of an eloquent, intellectual argument; they are moved by experience with the divine. Thoughts?

100% agree.

Although a person can be moved by rhetoric merely in their soul.

 

[Wrangler]

Also, "God manifested in the Flesh", is "the Word made flesh" and dwelt among us".. who is JESUS, pre-incarnate as "the WORD was God" In John 1.

Denied. John’s Gospel was not written to support you claim. See John 20:31.

 

[Diserner]

As if he has the burden to correct an exclamatory statement. Jesus did not correct those in Nazareth who said he was the son of Joseph.

What would change for you if Jesus actually were God.

Be honest.

 

[Behold]

An anti-scriptural post. God cannot die.

Only the Body of God died., as Christ on the Cross.

Christ sacrificed His BODY.........not His eternal spirit.

He said, " take eat, this is my body"..... given.

Notice also, that Jesus said to God from the Cross......."into thy hands, i commend my Spirit".....that was about to leave his DEAD BODY.

Also, when He told the dying Thief...>"today you will be with ME... in paradise"... Jesus was talking about his SPIRIT, as his body was nailed to the Cross., and about to DIE.

 

[Behold]

What’s wrong with the thinking in the OP; that the trinity is wrong and juxtaposition proves it?

He was taught to deny the Trinity.
Had he been a member of another denomination that was not anti-Trinity, then he would be here posting the opposite.

And U2

See, you have to live in Hebrews 13:9, or a cult will get you, train you, and you'll preach their deception, believing its the truth.

This happens to billions of Christians, as of today.

 

[Wrangler]

What would change for you if Jesus actually were God.

Be honest.

I’d be violating:

1. Definition
2. Logic
3. Language Usage
4. Violate 1C
5. Violate 2C
6. Deny the Sh’ma.
7. Violate Roman’s 10:9, thereby abdicate my Salvation
8. Deny Mark 1:1
9. Deny Christ’s confession that he has a God and his God is the only true God.
10. Lose our only mediator to God.

Your turn. What would change for you if Jesus actually were NOT God?

 

[Behold]

As if he has the burden to correct an exclamatory statement. Jesus did not correct those in Nazareth who said he was the son of Joseph.

Earthly parent via marriage, vs Heavenly Father based on "only begotten".

ITs not that hard to understand it, unless you just dont want to know.

 

[Behold]

Denied. John’s Gospel was not written to support you claim. See John 20:31.

All the gospels were written as a eyewitness account, regarding being with Christ during His ministry.

John's Gospel, is unique as its more evangelistic and mystical.

 

[Behold]

1. Deny Mark 1:1
2. Deny Christ’s confession that he has a God and his God is the only true God.

Jesus is the Son of God, and Hes also God manifested in the flesh.

He was alive and eternal before he was virgin born.

John 1

Also.

Jesus said that God is the only TRUE GOD........and Jesus said that He is "THE Truth"...

He said that He is the only way to the Father, and we are joined to God by being IN Christ.

Do the math.

 

[Diserner]

I’d be violating:

1. Definition
2. Logic
3. Language Usage
4. Violate 1C
5. Violate 2C
6. Deny the Sh’ma.
7. Violate Roman’s 10:9, thereby abdicate my Salvation
8. Deny Mark 1:1
9. Deny Christ’s confession that he has a God and his God is the only true God.
10. Lose our only mediator to God.

This misunderstands my question.

I'm not asking you what logical or biblical violations you feel would happen, as we already know that.

I'm asking how would your Christian walk change if those violations were actually not valid?

Your turn. What would change for you if Jesus actually were NOT God?

I would stop worshiping Jesus.

Simple, lol.

 

[Wrangler]

As if he has the burden to correct an exclamatory statement. Jesus did not correct those in Nazareth who said he was the son of Joseph.

Earthly parent via marriage, vs Heavenly Father based on "only begotten".

ITs not that hard to understand it, unless you just dont want to know.

Huh? Your post is not responsive to the fact that my post exposed your invented rationalization to support your manmade doctrine cannot hold up to scrutiny.

It's like you invoked some mystical set of words that has meaning only to you. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds. 42. Kilroy, Who is John Galt, etc.

 

[Wrangler]

I'm asking how would your Christian walk change if those violations were actually not valid?

That's moving the goal post. A WHAT IF analogy:

1. What if the biggest decision you ever made was wrong.
2. What if everything you know, believe, and feel to be true is wrong.

 

[dwight92070]

Behold, now read scripture and the words with knowledge of their meaning along with context without just listing disjoined statements. I believe you could even write a commentary on the subject as you have shown previously on the subject of salvation....that does ring loud and clear. You do want to be thorough and clear?

Take for example the Greek term 'logos' for the English term 'word,' and it does not have to be translated as 'word.' The majority of translators chose this term and most even capitalized it. It can just say 'word.' Speaking of logos - logic, reasoning expression of thought etc. the Greek word logos is not and never is a real person or personality regardless whether the Greek as the Spanish and the French place gender types on their nouns and pronouns. The 'logos' happens to be a masculine gender in Greek and when translated into English as every word of this type they became a neuter 'it,' The French call the English word table le Tableaux/table and it is also considered a masculine gender. We don't call a table a 'he' now do we, only an 'it.' So what happed here in John? Why in all of scripture did the Greek transliterated term 'logos' in this one place in John, became a person? I believe you really have to answer that question, truthfully, clearly and thoroughly with 110% accuracy.

So there is no possibility of 'Who' is the word. It is WHAT is the word. And I can answer that for you, truthfully although will not agree with this truth and most probably reply by pivoting towards a substitute or associated verse as your solid support, although it will be built on sand I'm afraid. And I wager you will again implicate the circular illogical reasoning of John 1:14. This is not truth and it does not make sense contextually or grammatically and in the spirit of common understanding. What you would then again accomplish in doing, as many before you, is to corrupt redefine the meaning of not only the term 'logos' but also the Son and from where the word originates, from the Father.

And the never ending beat goes on I'm afraid........as usual

That's real convenient for you, isn't it? If we wish to disagree with you, John 1:14 is off limits? Just because you say so? NO part of scripture is to be ignored. Of course it's off limits, because it disproves your so-called interpretation. Using ANY verse in the Bible pertaining to this topic, and contradicting your opinion, is NOT building on sand. John 1:14 is the word of God, not circular, illogical reasoning. It's too bad you have such a low opinion of God's word.

A "WHAT" cannot BE God and it cannot become flesh, and dwell among us. ONLY a "WHO" can BE God and become flesh, and dwell among us. So you're wrong right from the start.

John is an extremely powerful book, clearly displaying the evidence of the Trinity and the substance of the Deity of Jesus and especially John 1 - which is why all of you non-Trins attack it over and over. But to no avail. You are wrong. The Bible is right.

Even 1 John 1:1 disproves your faulty interpretation: "What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life ..."

I know what you're thinking. John says "what" not "who". Correct but what is the "what" he is referring to? He tells us the "what" is the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us. That eternal life, 1 John 5:11 tells us, IS IN HIS SON, and He is a "WHO", not a "WHAT".

John and the other apostles heard Jesus, saw Jesus, looked at Jesus, and touched Jesus, and He WAS ETERNAL LIFE in the flesh, and before coming to earth, He was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Also a "WHAT" cannot have gender and yet the WORD is referred to as "He" in verse 2; in verse 3 the WORD is called "Him" two times; and again "Him" is used in verse 4.

Jesus is also called "The Word of God" in Revelation 19:13. The Bible itself shuts down your argument.

 

[dwight92070]

An anti-scriptural post. God cannot die.

" ... the church of God which He purchased with His own blood." Acts 20:28

Ad Hominem. You lost the argument.

Nobody's attacking you. I just identified what your argument sounds like.

 

[dwight92070]

As if he has the burden to correct an exclamatory statement. Jesus did not correct those in Nazareth who said he was the son of Joseph.

That's next to impossible. Thomas is not going to use God's name in vain - especially right in front of His just-risen Savior and Lord! He wouldn't even be in the habit of doing that. All the godly Jews were extremely careful to NOT violate the Ten Commandments.

So Thomas was making a statement of faith and delight. You can be sure if Jesus was not God, that He would definitely have corrected Thomas. Especially being one of the twelve, Jesus would not allow Thomas to believe a lie. But He said nothing to correct His statement.

Jesus didn't need to correct the people in Nazareth. He was legally Joseph's son. Nor did He go around freely announcing that He was God's Son. He wanted people to discover that through faith and the evidence that He provided.

 

[Diserner]

That's moving the goal post. A WHAT IF analogy:

1. What if the biggest decision you ever made was wrong.
2. What if everything you know, believe, and feel to be true is wrong.

I answered your question.

You refused to answer mine.

Not equal.