God is Love

Now the same is true of the Church. Christ is the Head of the body. The body consists of Leaders(elder, pastors, teachers etc...)and the flock. The leaders submit to Christ and the flock is to submit to the leaders.
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'The LORD is a man of war:
the LORD (Jehovah) is His name.'
(Exo 15:3)

Hello @civic, (Re: OP)

I have only one point to raise, (or maybe two) regarding the content of the OP. First of all, Christ is our Head. The Head is the Head equally of each individual member of the Body of Christ. For the body of Christ is not described in terms of body parts, as in the Corinthian, 'body' (1 Cor. 12), which was illustrative of the distribution and operation of spiritual gifts. It is a 'joint body' (Eph. 3:6):- 'That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body (Gr.sussomos = joint body), and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel.'

Also regarding the statement that, 'God is love'. He certainly is, but surely only, 'in Christ', can that love be ours. Outside of Christ, God is described in Exodus15:3 as, 'a man of war'. I believe we need to see both in order to get a true perspective.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Complete said:
'The LORD is a man of war:
the LORD (Jehovah) is His name.'
(Exo 15:3)

Hello @civic, (Re: OP)

I have only one point to raise, (or maybe two) regarding the content of the OP. First of all, Christ is our Head. The Head is the Head of each individual member of the Body of Christ. For the body of Christ is not described in terms of body parts, as in the Corinthian, 'body' (1 Cor. 12), which was illustrative of the distribution and operation of spiritual gifts. It is a joint body:- 'That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body (Gr.sussomos = joint body), and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel.'

Also regarding the statement that, 'God is love'. He certainly is, but surely only in Christ can that love be ours. Outside of Christ, God is described in Exodus15:3 as, 'a man of war'. I believe we need to see both in order to get a true perspective.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Gods love is universal for all lost sinners for whom He died. The love from a relationship is a different aspect of His love we experience via the new birth, new creation in Christ.
 
civic said:
Gods love is universal for all lost sinners for whom He died. The love from a relationship is a different aspect of His love we experience via the new birth, new creation in Christ.
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'But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus,
Who of God is made unto us
wisdom, and righteousness,
and sanctification, and redemption:'
(1Co 1:30)

Hello @civic,

Yes, I agree, but that applies to all who are, 'in Christ'. What about those who are not, 'in Christ? Who have not come to faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, as their Saviour and Lord? For them there is judgment.

Thank you for responding.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Hello @civic,

Yes, I agree, but that applies to all who are, 'in Christ'. What about those who are not, 'in Christ? Who have not come to faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, as their Saviour and Lord? For them there is judgment.

Thank you for responding.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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There was a time like all sinners separated by our sin from God when we too were enemies and rebellious like Ephesian 2 says like the rest of mankind deserving of His wrath.

As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath.
 
'For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven
against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men,
who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them;
for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen,
being understood by the things that are made,
even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified Him not as God, neither were thankful;
but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.'
(Rom 1:18-21)

Hello @civic,

So, you agree that God is not only a God of love, but also of wrath?

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Hello @civic,

So, you agree that God is not only a God of love, but also of wrath?

In Christ Jesus
Chris
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God has alwayd been a God of love. God is love- God is not wrath. Gods wrath is a result of His creation and cam into being after the fall of the angels, then man. Gods wrath did not exist before the fall, His love did and is an eternal attribute, core attribute of His nature/character. There is no wrath between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit but we know there is love.

hope this helps !!!
 
civic said:
God has alway been a God of love. God is love, God is not wrath. God's wrath is a result of His creation and came into being after the fall of the angels, then man. Gods wrath did not exist before the fall, His love did and is an eternal attribute, core attribute of His nature/character. There is no wrath between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit but we know there is love.

hope this helps !!!
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Hello again @civic,

Where are we told that God's wrath did not exist before the fall? Have you determined that by the observation of Scriptural events, or do you have some Scriptures for me to read which will confirm that?

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Hello again @civic,

Where are we told that God's wrath did not exist before the fall? Have you determined that by the observation of Scriptural events, or do you have some Scriptures for me to read which will confirm that?

In Christ Jesus
Chris
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I'm talking about innate attributes within the Godhead.

Is there any retribution, vengeance, anger, indignation between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit ? yes or no
 
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Hello again @civic,

Where are we told that God's wrath did not exist before the fall? Have you determined that by the observation of Scriptural events, or do you have some Scriptures for me to read which will confirm that?

In Christ Jesus
Chris
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see this thread where I made an in depth study and I'm still working on a thesis paper on the topic of Gods attributes ( nature,character )in relation to the atonement.

civic

Thread 'The Nature of God in the Atonement'

Link removed and posted below.

The above is to long to post here it would be 5/6 separate posts. I might break it up in sections below.
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Studyman said:
As I said, I don't believe your religious philosophy that God was a "God of nothing" before HE created the world we know, is supported by the ONE verse in the Bible that you use to promote it.
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when did 101G say that? 101G said God was "ALONE" and BY HIMSELF, where did this "God of nothing" come from?
Studyman said:
The philosophy that "God" wasn't a "God of the Living" before He created our world, is not supported anywhere in Scriptures, and certainly not in the Scripture you reference.
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again, see above?
Studyman said:
It's not a hill I am interested in dying on and I am not calling God a liar. I just don't believe in the interpretation of the Scripture you use to relegate God, "as a God of Nothing" before "our beginning".

You reference John 1.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.

I would ask, "In the beginning of what"? Will you then call Gods Word a Lie when HE says HE has no beginning and has no end? And therefore, if the Bible is true, and God has no beginning, then whose "beginning" is HE speaking to here?
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finally a question. IN IN IN the beginning ... not at the beginning, for God have not a beginning, we do... please read... ok.

as for John 1, again, 101G ask is the PERSON in John 1:3 WHO MADE ALL THINGS" is this the same person in Isaiah 44:24 WHO MADE ALL THINGS yes or no?
Studyman said:
Job 38: 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

How is this any different than my granddaughter watching me stack wood?
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well the morning stars here in Job... are the actual stars in the heavens and not persons, as with the sons of God are not angels. Oh my friend this is a metaphor. understand? the morning stars sang and the sons of God shouted for joy? Listen and understand bible. Psalms 65:13 "The pastures are clothed with flocks; the valleys also are covered over with corn; they shout for joy, they also sing." please understand bible metaphor, ok.

101G
 
101G said:
when did 101G say that? 101G said God was "ALONE" and BY HIMSELF, where did this "God of nothing" come from?
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24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

You are preaching that this verse means that before God Himself, with no help from any other god as HE is the only God, created the physical realm we know as "the world" we now live in, that there was no Spiritual realm which existed, no angels that existed, no Kingdom of God, no spiritual life existed, no other dimension, "Nothing" existed. If this is true, then you are preaching that before God made heaven and earth as we know it, He was the God of Nothing.

While I can't know what God's Life was like before HE created the heavens and earth, I don't believe it consisted of "Nothing".

I don't believe this is God's Message through Isaiah.
 
Studyman said:
24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

You are preaching that this verse means that before God Himself, with no help from any other god as HE is the only God, created the physical realm we know as "the world" we now live in, that there was no Spiritual realm which existed, no angels that existed, no Kingdom of God, no spiritual life existed, no other dimension, "Nothing" existed. If this is true, then you are preaching that before God made heaven and earth as we know it, He was the God of Nothing.

While I can't know what God's Life was like before HE created the heavens and earth, I don't believe it consisted of "Nothing".

I don't believe this is God's Message through Isaiah.
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Have you not read to UNDERSTAND? ... LISTEN, Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." not before the beginning, IN, IN, IN, the beginning of who? this creation. this is not the real world. how do you know this 101G? answer, "God created the heaven and the earth." that's how 101G know. and yes, this world came from the invisible world. scripture, Hebrews 11:3 "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

now we have that out of the way, back to my original question. is the person in John 1:3 is the same one person in Isaiah 44:24, YES or NO please?

101G.
 
To all,
THE LOVE OF GOD. as the topic states, scripture, John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

here again, God said he is a single person. just as the Lord Jesus confess. Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"

God himself says...... "he, he, he, is a single person, just as the Lord Jesus say he is a single person.

are so many taught in ERROR believing a three person Godhead? .... STOP, LOOK and LISTEN.... before you cross into oblivion.

in much G.L.

101G.
 
Being a Christian is not about doing all the right things, following a set of rules, or adhering to certain rituals. Being a Christian is a matter of the heart. It is all about a relationship with the God of the universe and the Creator of all things. Relationship with God is an intimate, up-close-and-personal relationship with the One who knows me most—and loves me still.

God is Love
 
Aeliana said:
Being a Christian is not about doing all the right things, following a set of rules, or adhering to certain rituals. Being a Christian is a matter of the heart. It is all about a relationship with the God of the universe and the Creator of all things. Relationship with God is an intimate, up-close-and-personal relationship with the One who knows me most—and loves me still.

God is Love
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101G agree 100%. but may we say this..... if you're in a Relationship and the one you're in the Relationship says ... just for argument sake, her name is Jean.... why call her Mary then?

101G.
 

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