Jesus doesn't share God's exclusive glory

[Runningman]

The anointing is something and Someone. The Spirit of Christ; The Anointed One.

The truth is something and Someone. The Spirit of truth.

Grace is something and Someone. The Spirit of grace.

The word Christ means "anointing" and it isn't Jesus' name. There are many who are messiah in the Hebrew OT and many who are christ in the Greek LXX OT.

Truth is thing.

Grace is also a thing.

 

[101G]

You can argue anything you wish, but you cannot unseat the throne-sitter from His throne and replace Him with someone else. Instead of finding ways to argue against the Bible, why not just agree with it?

who is trying to unseat anyone, it's you who cannot understand what 101G said.....

Instead of finding ways to argue against the Bible, why not just agree with it?

so we can take it that you have no clue who really sits on the throne. now watch this, Jesus the Lord SITS on the throne, see how easy that was to answer. but you could not answer, because you don't understand the bible.

101G.

 

[charismaticlady]

Amen He receives the same glory as the Father in heaven and the same glory with the Father before creation in John 17:5.

Notice how John 17:5 was left out of the OP for a good reason as Jesus contradicts the OP's claims.

I went to the OP and John 17:5 is there. Confused...

 

[civic]

I went to the OP and John 17:5 is there. Confused...

He uses it to claim Jesus is not God, just the opposite of what John 17:5 means

 

[Runningman]

He uses it to claim Jesus is not God, just the opposite of what John 17:5 means

I went to the OP and John 17:5 is there. Confused...

I would like to ask you two what the glory is that Jesus had, before the world was created, if he also gave that same glory to his disciples?

 

[Selah]

This means Jesus isn't God.

Oh come on, @Runningman …Do you not know; have you not heard? Are you not “looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ? (Titus2:13)

s e l a h

 

[charismaticlady]

I would like to ask you two what the glory is that Jesus had, before the world was created, if he also gave that same glory to his disciples?

I believe Jesus is referring to the omni powers. To die for us, God had to be able to die so became a human from a virgin and the Spirit of God.

The glories He gave to the apostles after making them sinless from lawlessness and giving them the gifts of the Spirit was the maturing of the fruit of the Spirit. 2 Peter 1:2-11 shows that once all the fruit of the Spirit are mature on top of being sinless of lawlessness we will never stumble. It is the difference between being merely sinless/righteous/clean (John 15:3) and perfect/holy. Rev. 22:11.

 

[charismaticlady]

But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27

Earlier this year I noticed this verse as a rhema. I don't even recall ever reading it before. It is one of my favorite verses now.

 

[charismaticlady]

You can argue anything you wish, but you cannot unseat the throne-sitter from His throne and replace Him with someone else. Instead of finding ways to argue against the Bible, why not just agree with it?

How do you interpret this prophecy?

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

and this verse:

Colossians 2:9
9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;

 

[Runningman]

Oh come on, @Runningman …Do you not know; have you not heard? Are you not “looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ? (Titus2:13)

s e l a h

The Great God
and
Our Savior Jesus

You're proving my point. Most people choose a less literal tranlsation of that verse that serve their theology better.

 

[Runningman]

I believe Jesus is referring to the omni powers. To die for us, God had to be able to die so became a human from a virgin and the Spirit of God.

Why?

The glories He gave to the apostles after making them sinless from lawlessness and giving them the gifts of the Spirit was the maturing of the fruit of the Spirit. 2 Peter 1:2-11 shows that once all the fruit of the Spirit are mature on top of being sinless of lawlessness we will never stumble. It is the difference between being merely sinless/righteous/clean (John 15:3) and perfect/holy. Rev. 22:11.

Are you sure none of the apostles sinned after that prayer or receiving the glory Jesus gave them? Judas, Peter, and Thomas come to mind.

 

[charismaticlady]

Why?

Why what?

Are you sure none of the apostles sinned after that prayer or receiving the glory Jesus gave them? Judas, Peter, and Thomas come to mind.

None of the apostles had the power of God before Jesus rose from the dead, so Peter's denial, Judas' betrayal, and Thomas' lack of faith were all of the flesh. They were not born again yet of the Spirit. The 11 apostles received the Spirit in John 20 when Jesus blew on them and cleansed them of all unrighteousness and its desire. But the power of the Spirit for signs and wonders wasn't given to the Apostles until the Day of Pentecost. Those are the glories. The rest of the 120 received the cleansing of sins and the Mark 16 signs on the Day of Pentecost, but didn't receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit for the power of the Holy Spirit until Acts 4:29-31.

 

[Runningman]

Why what?

I mean, why do you believe what you said?

None of the apostles had the power of God before Jesus rose from the dead, so Peter's denial, Judas' betrayal, and Thomas' lack of faith were all of the flesh. They were not born again yet of the Spirit. The 11 apostles received the Spirit in John 20 when Jesus blew on them and cleansed them of all unrighteousness and its desire. But the power of the Spirit for signs and wonders wasn't given to the Apostles until the Day of Pentecost. Those are the glories. The rest of the 120 received the cleansing of sins and the Mark 16 signs on the Day of Pentecost, but didn't receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit for the power of the Holy Spirit until Acts 4:29-31.

Did you know some of the apostles sinned after God decided to resurrect Jesus and take him to heaven?

 

[JLB]

Earlier this year I noticed this verse as a rhema. I don't even recall ever reading it before. It is one of my favorite verses now.

Please keep meditating on it.

It will only get better.