Why The Trinity is Wrong: Juxtaposition

[Predestined]

If this continues I will just lock the thread but I hope it doesn’t have to come to that here. Let’s treat each other with some respect. Take care

 

[101G]

The KJV is the worst translation available today in English

it's correcting you at every turn....

Jesus said this is the most important law, the Sh'ma which begins by destroying the trinity. The VOICE translation renders it this way.

Moses: 4 Listen, Israel! The Eternal is our True God—He alone.

quit lying on the LORD. Matthew 22:36 "Master, which is the great commandment in the law?" Matthew 22:37 "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind."

Alone is not a trinity make. Other translations say God is one and no translation says God is 3-in-1. IF it did, it would be evidence in support of the trinity. As it is, it destroys the trinity.

why try to disprove the trinity, when your beliefs are just as false as theirs. the pot calling the kettle black. Oh my.

The way trinitarians attempt to escape is by not having a non-contradictory rejection criteria for the IDOL. One guy said the Sh'ma is actually good evidence in favor of the trinity. I asked what would be good evidence against the trinity. No answer.

why tell 101G this? .................................

101G.

 

[101G]

The Greek OT (LXX) is what the Apostles used to write their Epistles. Between the KJV and the Greek LXX, I'll take the Greek LXX. Sorry.

what! you think that will hurt 101G feelings? don't be silly.

101G.

 

[synergy]

what! you think that will hurt 101G feelings? don't be silly.

101G.

I'm happy to hear that you were not offended that the Apostles made use of the Greek LXX to write their Epistles. Now do you see the great value of the Greek LXX? If it's good enough for the Apostles then it should be good enough for everyone, including yourself.

 

[101G]

I'm happy to hear that you were not offended that the Apostles made use of the Greek LXX to write their Epistles. Now do you see the great value of the Greek LXX? If it's good enough for the Apostles then it should be good enough for everyone, including yourself.

no, only in the UNDERSTANDING of the scripture. ..... (smile).....

example, what do this mean to you, or the scripture is saying? Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

101G.

 

[synergy]

no, only in the UNDERSTANDING of the scripture. ..... (smile).....

101G.

Too bad you're not following the Apostles, the very people who wrote the NT scripture. (sad frown)

 

[101G]

Too bad you're not following the Apostles, the very people who wrote the NT scripture. (sad frown)

so what is saying to us in Philippians 2:6? "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

101G.

 

[synergy]

example, what do this mean to you, or the scripture is saying? Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

"Who (Jesus), being in the form of God":
Jesus has a God nature.

"thought it not robbery to be equal with God":
Jesus thought that it is does not deprive God the Father of anything to be equal with Him.

The next set of verses describes Jesus' humbling (εταπεινωσεν) of Himself on Earth.

 

[101G]

Jesus has a God nature.

ERROR, you just made a BIG ERROR. if the Lord Jesus has a, a, a, God Nature then you have two Gods. and I'm sure the Greek didn't tell you that ... did it? no, the Lord Jesus have the "SAME" NATURE ..... Equal "WITH", "WIITH", God and not ... "to" God.

"thought it not robbery to be equal with God":
Jesus thought that it is does not deprive God the Father of anything to be equal with Him.

so why do he have a, a, a, God nature, and Not "THE" GOD NATURE? meaning the SAME NATURE. see your ERROR NOW.

so your GREEK do not GIVE UNDERSTANDING.... (smile). this is what 101G is talking about. man's IGNORANCE, instead of God's Holy Wisdom.

101G.

 

[synergy]

ERROR, you just made a BIG ERROR. if the Lord Jesus has a, a, a, God Nature then you have two Gods. and I'm sure the Greek didn't tell you that ... did it? no, the Lord Jesus have the "SAME" NATURE ..... Equal "WITH", "WIITH", God and not ... "to" God.

Nope. For example, you have a human nature and your friend has a human nature. Does that make two human natures? No. That's where you go wrong my friend.

so why do he have a, a, a, God nature, and Not "THE" GOD NATURE? meaning the SAME NATURE. see your ERROR NOW.

There is one God nature just like there is one human nature. It's not rocket science.

 

[101G]

Nope.

lol, who's authority?

For example, you have a human nature and your friend has a human nature. Does that make two human natures? No. That's where you go wrong my friend.

that's two separate persons. now do you have "THE" GOD NATURE? thank you case closed.

There is one God nature just like there is one human nature. It's not rocket science.

so you're God in Nature? correct, It's not rocket science. ......
LOOK you have no clue what you're talking about. good night.

101G.

 

[synergy]

lol, who's authority?

On the authority of those who wrote the NT. You know. The Apostles who you turned your back to. Too bad for you.

that's two separate persons. now do you have "THE" GOD NATURE? thank you case closed

so you're God in Nature? correct, It's not rocket science. ......

I never said that I'm God in nature. You are exposing your poor English language skills. Is English your 2nd or 3rd language?

LOOK you have no clue what you're talking about. good night.

You forgot to honor your agreement for both of us to not "accept what 101G is saying". See what happens when you forget to do that? You crash and burn.

 

[Wrangler]

Please don’t change what another poster said when quoting them. Thanks !

Years ago I was told by an Administrator that it is "an internet phenomenon."

 

[Wrangler]

So my first statement was correct. He did NOT (publicly) teach that He was the Messiah.

I see. When you add a qualifier (publicly) then you change the standard to qualify yourself as correct.

 

[Wrangler]

I'm finding that Unitarians have very poor English language comprehension skills. For example, they don't understand how to distinguish between that which is literal and that which is a figure of speech. They also toss out portions of scripture that do not conform to their unitarian presuppositions. Their communication skills are poor also as you're finding out. Don't let that frustrate you because it could very well be deliberate on their part.

You're projecting. Not to make this personal, this is the bedrock of trinitarianism. The mortal enemies of the concept of the trinity are these 4 pillars, which have to be violated at every turn:
1. Definition
2. Logic
3. Language Usage
4. Explicit Scripture

Not only do trinitarians deliberately misinterpret literal and figurative speech (such as word of God), they subordinate explicit text (such as there is one God, the Father, Jesus has a God, the Father is the only true God) to their eisegesis, reading their doctrine into text.

Funny that yesterday I was accused of not reading a passage in context when trinitarians disregard the entire context of the Bible which is monotheist, written by Jews who reject the trinity to this day.

Moreover, they rely on mystical dualism and artificial synthesis. This explains why they do not accept the simple fact that the trinity - neither the word nor concept - is in Scripture. They assert it is there if you take one verse out of monotheist context after another. By this tactic, one can synthesize any doctrine one pleases. This explains why folks like @Johann have to have many long posts with many verses to make their point.

Mystical dualism rejects the bedrock of of logic, the law of non-contradiction, supposing one can be a son and not-created, a son of X and X at the same time.

Invoking a double standard, trinitarians give no weight to inferences that undermine the trinity dogma (such as Jesus died proves he is not God and the Holy Spirit is not a person for if he was, he'd have a name or there is no equality for if Jesus was given all authority, it means the Holy Spirit has no authority). Finally, they admit no rejection criteria; what set of words would reasonably justify rejecting the trinity.

One character here, too smart by half, invoked an unreasonable, Circular Reasoning rejection criteria.

Good talk.

 

[Wrangler]

quit lying on the LORD.

Just because Jesus quoted part of the Sh'ma does not mean he was not quoting the Sh'ma. No lie.

 

[Wrangler]

why try to disprove the trinity, when your beliefs are just as false as theirs. the pot calling the kettle black.

Well, with all due respect, that is your opinion.

The way trinitarians attempt to escape is by not having a non-contradictory rejection criteria for the IDOL. One guy said the Sh'ma is actually good evidence in favor of the trinity. I asked what would be good evidence against the trinity. No answer.

why tell 101G this?

Indeed. Are you above it all, my friend?

 

[synergy]

You're projecting. Not to make this personal, this is the bedrock of trinitarianism. The mortal enemies of the concept of the trinity are these 4 pillars, which have to be violated at every turn:
1. Definition
2. Logic
3. Language Usage
4. Explicit Scripture

Not only do trinitarians deliberately misinterpret literal and figurative speech (such as word of God), they subordinate explicit text (such as there is one God, the Father, Jesus has a God, the Father is the only true God) to their eisegesis, reading their doctrine into text.

Funny that yesterday I was accused of not reading a passage in context when trinitarians disregard the entire context of the Bible which is monotheist, written by Jews who reject the trinity to this day.

Moreover, they rely on mystical dualism and artificial synthesis. This explains why they do not accept the simple fact that the trinity - neither the word nor concept - is in Scripture. They assert it is there if you take one verse out of monotheist context after another. By this tactic, one can synthesize any doctrine one pleases. This explains why folks like @Johann have to have many long posts with many verses to make their point.

Mystical dualism rejects the bedrock of of logic, the law of non-contradiction, supposing one can be a son and not-created, a son of X and X at the same time.

Invoking a double standard, trinitarians give no weight to inferences that undermine the trinity dogma (such as Jesus died proves he is not God and the Holy Spirit is not a person for if he was, he'd have a name or there is no equality for if Jesus was given all authority, it means the Holy Spirit has no authority). Finally, they admit no rejection criteria; what set of words would reasonably justify rejecting the trinity.

One character here, too smart by half, invoked an unreasonable, Circular Reasoning rejection criteria.

Good talk.

You made a bunch of allegations without reference to any particular Bible verse. Sure you made a general statement about the Bible but at no time did you mentioned any particular Bible verse that supports your Arian non-Trinitarian view of the Bible. Without supporting Bible verses your allegations remain exactly that: allegations.

If I'm not mistaken, you call yourself a Biblical Unitarian or something like that. If so then prove the Biblical side of your title at least, which will subsequently take care of the Unitarian side of your title.

 

[Wrangler]

You made a bunch of allegations without reference to any particular Bible verse.

LOL. I was responding to your post in kind, with no Bible verses. Double standards much?

 

[synergy]

LOL. I was responding to your post in kind, with no Bible verses. Double standards much?

Run Unitarian Run from having to produce supporting Bible verses.

You just made an allegation that I do not provide supporting Bible verses for my Bible assertions. Prove it or is this just another case of Run Unitarian Run?