Salvation by Grace through Faith

[Eternally-Grateful]

Only the saved can obey, men lost are children of disobedience by nature.. When men are regenerated by the Spirit, then the laws of God are in their minds and heart to obey Heb 8:10

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

again, this is false

the wage of sin is death, the perfect Judge (God) has determined that anyone who sins suffers the penalty of death, hence we are dead in tresspasses and sin.

Jesus said we must be born again. And he tells us how. through faith.

 

[brightfame52]

again, this is false

the wage of sin is death, the perfect Judge (God) has determined that anyone who sins suffers the penalty of death, hence we are dead in tresspasses and sin.

Jesus said we must be born again. And he tells us how. through faith.

Its True, Faith/Believing was already in their hearts, put into them by the Spirit of regeneration.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Its True, Faith/Believing was already in their hearts, put into them by the Spirit of regeneration.

No it is false.

Faith will not be done until a person repents. repentance is required for remission of sin.

that is why Jesus called it the gospel of repentance for remission of sin.

 

[brightfame52]

No it is false.

Faith will not be done until a person repents. repentance is required for remission of sin.

that is why Jesus called it the gospel of repentance for remission of sin.

ts True, Faith/Believing was already in their hearts, put into them by the Spirit of regeneration.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

ts True, Faith/Believing was already in their hearts, put into them by the Spirit of regeneration.

No, it is not true.

Until a person repents. they are Gods enemy, and they want nothing to do with God.

 

[brightfame52]

No, it is not true.

Until a person repents. they are Gods enemy, and they want nothing to do with God.

It is True, Faith and repentance aren't possible until one is saved.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

It is True, Faith and repentance aren't possible until one is saved.

Thats false.

Salvation is not possible until one repents and believes.

Acts 3:19
Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,

Salvation can not occur as long as ones sin remain

 

[brightfame52]

Thats false.

Salvation is not possible until one repents and believes.

Acts 3:19
Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,

Salvation can not occur as long as ones sin remain

Again only a saved person can and will repent. And everyone Christ died for, their sin debt has been paid, no sin remains against them.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Again only a saved person can and will repent. And everyone Christ died for, their sin debt has been paid, no sin remains against them.

Thats IMPOSSIBLE

If ones sins are not blotted out UNTIL THEY REPENT

if one is not justified UNTIL THEY BELIEVE

If one is not saved UINTIL THE SEE AND BELIEVE

then one is not saved before.

Again, your fatalistic thinking and understanding of the justice of God is flawed

 

[brightfame52]

Thats IMPOSSIBLE

If ones sins are not blotted out UNTIL THEY REPENT

if one is not justified UNTIL THEY BELIEVE

If one is not saved UINTIL THE SEE AND BELIEVE

then one is not saved before.

Again, your fatalistic thinking and understanding of the justice of God is flawed

Again only a saved person can and will repent. And everyone Christ died for, their sin debt has been paid, no sin remains against them.

Their sins against them were blotted out at the Cross where they were nailed against Christ Col 2:14

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Blotting out - Wipe out or obliterateHandwriting of ordinances - The crimes of the criminal written and placed at the location of executionContrary - Against or hostile toOut of the way - Away out of the midst or middle Paul continues the great emancipation of the believer. Christ has forgiven every trespass of the believer and here we are told that all our crimes, our sins, were completely obliterated. The hand writing of ordinances was the crime or crimes the prisoner was guilty of. The ordinances which the believer was guilty of was the violation of the law of God. We broke every law, even if we broke only one. (James 2:10 KJV) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. So here the law became our enemy because it openly showed us that we were guilty of breaking God’s law but when Christ went to the cross, He had fulfilled the demands of God’s righteous law and because we were in Christ, being baptized unto His death, we were found not guilty of the violation of God’s law. As Col. 2:14 puts it, Christ completely obliterated the charges against us, so never again will the believer ever have to come into judgment for any sins. The verse further states that Christ took those charges against us away from us, out of the midst, that is, the sins no longer prevent fellowship with God and with other Christians. It goes on further to state that He nailed it to His cross, which means the law is totally dead to us in the area of accusations and violations because Christ paid for every single violation of the law that the true believer would ever commit. There would never be even one violation of the law which could ever affect our salvation and our purity of our souls because of Christ’s total effectual sacrifice. https://www.scionofzion.com/colossians_2_11_15.htm

Isa 44:22

I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Again only a saved person can and will repent. And everyone Christ died for, their sin debt has been paid, no sin remains against them.

Their sins against them were blotted out at the Cross where they were nailed against Christ Col 2:14

Then they are saved forever. again, no need to repent or trust God..

Your logic fails

Isa 44:22

I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.

Yes.

Jesus died for the world. that WHOEVER believes.

again, Jesus words destroy your logic

 

[brightfame52]

Then they are saved forever. again, no need to repent or trust God..

Your logic fails

Yes.

Jesus died for the world. that WHOEVER believes.

again, Jesus words destroy your logic

Notice Isa 44:22 the call to return/repent was in light of the fact they were already redeemed and forgiven, sins blotted out.

Isa 44:22


I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.

The word return is the hebrew word šûḇ:
Return, turn back, restore, repent
Meaning: to turn back, in, to retreat, again

Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - Strong's Greek 1994 (epistrephō): To turn, to return, to convert

- Strong's Greek 3340 (metanoeō): To repent, to change one's mind

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Notice Isa 44:22 the call to return/repent was in light of the fact they were already redeemed and forgiven, sins blotted out.

Isa 44:22


I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.

The word return is the hebrew word šûḇ:
Return, turn back, restore, repent
Meaning: to turn back, in, to retreat, again

Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - Strong's Greek 1994 (epistrephō): To turn, to return, to convert

- Strong's Greek 3340 (metanoeō): To repent, to change one's mind

Is 44 is not about personal salvation it is about a nation returning to their God.

 

[brightfame52]

Is 44 is not about personal salvation it is about a nation returning to their God.

Yes it is about salvation, thats the pattern, b4 God calls to repentance, He has redeemed you and forgiven you through Christ, National Israel was a picture/type of the Israel of God. All the elects sins were blotted out at the Cross Col 2:14

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Yes it is about salvation, thats the pattern, b4 God calls to repentance, He has redeemed you and forgiven you through Christ, National Israel was a picture/type of the Israel of God. All the elects sins were blotted out at the Cross Col 2:14

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

yes, and how was this done?

It was accomplished when we had faith in him.


once again. IF YOUR SINS ARE ALREADY FORGIVE YOU, YOU DO NOT NEED SAVED

I mean, you are hurting yourself here even thinking such things..

Then again, I have known you for years across multiple chatrooms. You have never changed, I doubt you ever will. But with God all things are possible

 

[brightfame52]

yes, and how was this done?

It was accomplished when we had faith in him.


once again. IF YOUR SINS ARE ALREADY FORGIVE YOU, YOU DO NOT NEED SAVED

I mean, you are hurting yourself here even thinking such things..

Then again, I have known you for years across multiple chatrooms. You have never changed, I doubt you ever will. But with God all things are possible

The whole world of the elect has their sins taken away, at the Cross Jn 1:29

29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Now each individual of this particular world has had their sins paid for, and will each be called to repent in view of that.