His People He foreknew !

About Foreknowledge:

Ephesians 1:4 says, "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world". Men often go to great lengths and contrive explanations as to why the doctrine of unconditional election cannot be true. They will twist and turn its meaning into a form which is more palatable to the fleshly mind, by misusing scriptural terminology, in essence denying that such a doctrine is true except in a very limited sense. The most common explanation of election by those who despise the thought of a sovereign, electing GOD, is to cast it at the feet of GOD's foreknowledge. The two chief verses which are generally used in this so called explanation are found in 1 Peter 1:2 "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, " and Romans 8:29; "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of HIS Son. " No one can deny that election is according to the foreknowledge of GOD for the scripture plainly says as much. The scripture says"Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world." We know that HE is omniscient and omnipresent so it is a rather elementary truth that HE knows the things that will occur before they transpire. Those who wish to explain away GOD's sovereign choice of an elect people, set forth HIS foreknowledge as a simple act of the omniscience of GOD looking down through time to find out what would occur; as if the world was wound up like a big toy and then let loose to run whatever course it may take. Their concept denies the very truth of the fact that GOD is an absolute Sovereign. GOD does not look through time to see future events so that HE might be aware of what is going to occur. Rather the LORD plainly says, "Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it." GOD is not a reactionary. HE is a sovereign predestinator of all events. "I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." HE knows the end from the beginning because HE declares what will take place and leaves nothing to blind chance or fate. Even the minutest of details are in the hands of this Sovereign; whether it be the results of a game of dice. "The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the LORD." or the number of hairs on a mans head. GOD's choice of an elect people is truly based on HIS foreknowledge because HE decreed all things to come to pass exactly as HE desired them. The "determinate counsel and foreknowledge" of GOD are inseparable truths. Where you find one you will always find the other. GOD knows beforehand what will occur because HE marks out what will occur and no one can overturn it. The LORD JESUS CHRIST came into the world for a specific purpose, which was to “save his people from their sins." In order for HIM to save HIS people, HE had to have a people. HE died a substitutionary death for them. In order for HIM to die a sinner's death it was necessary for HIM to be taken by wicked men and slain according to the purpose of GOD as HE revealed in the Prophets, that it would be done. On the day of Pentecost Peter preached the glorious truth of the predestination of every event which brought JESUS CHRIST to die in our stead and take upon HIMSELF our sin. GOD is never bound to use any sort of means in any thing that HE undertakes to do, but HE has revealed very plainly in this matter that HE used the wickedness of these Jewish zealots to deliver HIS only begotten SON up to be slain. HE directed and used the wickedness of Judas to betray HIM into the hands of those who would drive the nails in HIS feet and hands. Every hammer blow and every lash of the whip along with the hands which would hold those instruments of torture, was determined before the foundation of the world by HIM who loved HIS people with an everlasting love. "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.””Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts.”

Piece by Mike Mcinnis https://media-cloud.sermonaudio.com/text/81721213753709.pdf
I wonder if you are capable of your own thinking…

Doug
 
how can it be junk when we are commanded to be imitators of Christ ?

also we are commanded to give an answer to everyone who asks about our hope in Christ.

and if we cannot give answers about our faith to people then what good is that so-called faith ?

Apologetics 101.

hope this helps !!!
I dont have time for it, nothing said by the poster made any sense to me
 
HE knows the end from the beginning because HE declares what will take place and leaves nothing to blind chance or fate. Even the minutest of details are in the hands of this Sovereign; whether it be the results of a game of dice. "The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the LORD." or the number of hairs on a mans head. GOD's choice of an elect people is truly based on HIS foreknowledge because HE decreed all things to come to pass exactly as HE desired them. The "determinate counsel and foreknowledge" of GOD are inseparable truths.
That is a terribly demeaning view of God's omniscience. It derives from the equally demeaning view of God's sovereignty. And determinism is as bad or worse. All of Augustine's theology which promotes such unbiblical views of God are truly bad. The idea that God would create beings, angels and humans, for his own good pleasure and glory, for the destruction of hell is truly disgusting. How anyone could love and worship a god with those attributes is truly a wonder.
 
God allowed for evil when he gave personal beings, both men and angels, freedom of choice. Evil is not created, per se, it is a natural consequence of choosing to disobey, to go against goodness, to oppose God’s will.
I do agree...

but then I am compelled to ask in Socratic style: when did infants who are liable to the wages of sin, death (and suffering) which proves their sinfulness, make this choice?`
 
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@Jim

God's foreknowledge is God's omniscience

No its not, and its apparent you dont know the difference. Why will Jesus say to the damned in that Day this Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

But how can He say this being omniscience ?
 
@Jim

No its not, and its apparent you dont know the difference.
Yeah, it is. It is apparent that you don't know the meaning of either foreknowledge or omniscience.
Why will Jesus say to the damned in that Day this Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Because they listened to Augustine instead of the gospel. :ROFLMAO:
 
Yeah, it is. It is apparent that you don't know the meaning of either foreknowledge or omniscience.

Because they listened to Augustine instead of the gospel. :ROFLMAO:
Is King Jesus God and omniscience here ? Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
Is King Jesus God and omniscience here ? Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
It says in Genesis 4:1, "Adam knew Eve his wife". I think we all understand what is meant there. So given that meaning of the word "knew", answer your own question.

My point is that the word "know" can have a number of specific meanings. Only one of those meanings can logically be in play in the word "foreknow" and that is to know, intellectually beforehand. "Foreknow" has no connected meaning to the word "know" in Genesis 4:1 or Matthew 7:23 or in most of the other uses of the word "know" that you try to give it. Foreknow means and only means to know, i.e., to perceive, to understand, to be cognizant of, beforehand.

Foreknowledge is and only is God's omniscience with respect to the future. To attempt to put any other meaning to the words foreknow, foreknew, or foreknowledge is to terribly abuse God's word.
 
It says in Genesis 4:1, "Adam knew Eve his wife". I think we all understand what is meant there. So given that meaning of the word "knew", answer your own question.

My point is that the word "know" can have a number of specific meanings. Only one of those meanings can logically be in play in the word "foreknow" and that is to know, intellectually beforehand. "Foreknow" has no connected meaning to the word "know" in Genesis 4:1 or Matthew 7:23 or in most of the other uses of the word "know" that you try to give it. Foreknow means and only means to know, i.e., to perceive, to understand, to be cognizant of, beforehand.

Foreknowledge is and only is God's omniscience with respect to the future. To attempt to put any other meaning to the words foreknow, foreknew, or foreknowledge is to terribly abuse God's word.
Is King Jesus God and omniscience here ? Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
I do agree...

but then I am compelled to ask in Socratic style: when did infants who are liable to the wages of sin, death (and suffering) which proves their sinfulness, make this choice?`
We die spiritually for the sins we commit, not for Adam’s sin; but Adam’s sin has corrupted the whole human race that descends from him. Thus we are prone to sin, and always will sin eventually. Physical death is the consequence of Adam’s sin.

Doug
 
Is King Jesus God and omniscience here ? Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Of course Jesus was omniscient there. And verse 23 is not a statement by Jesus that He wasn't. It is an affirmation by Jesus that He never approved of their conduct, the way they lived.
 
We die spiritually for the sins we commit, not for Adam’s sin; but Adam’s sin has corrupted the whole human race that descends from him. Thus we are prone to sin, and always will sin eventually. Physical death is the consequence of Adam’s sin.

Doug
I tend to agree with a lot of what you post here, but I must say that I disagree with this one. Adam's sin only corrupted himself. It had no real effect on anyone else. And Physical death is an integral feature of creation. God put the tree of life in the garden, the fruit of which could prolong the onset of death so long as Adam had access to it (Gen3:22). The only death that came by way of Adam's sin was spiritual death.
 
We die spiritually for the sins we commit, not for Adam’s sin; but Adam’s sin has corrupted the whole human race that descends from him. Thus we are prone to sin, and always will sin eventually. Physical death is the consequence of Adam’s sin.

Doug
Sounds reasonable if you don't apply the fact that the death of infants proves their sinfulness from the very time of their conception as many a fetus has died at that time or a bit later.

Either death really is the wages for sin or Chirst was babbling, eh?

You contend that Adam’s sin has corrupted the whole human race but that means that by making us in Adam creating us a humans in Adam, instead of independant like Adam was and the angels, HE is in fact creating corrupt people. In other words before I was conceived there was x amount of corruption in the world but after I was conceived there was x+1 amount of corruption in the world.

GOD is holy, HE cannot create corruption.
GOD is light, HE cannot create any hint of darkness as no darkness in HIM to come out from HIM.

HE is either holy or HE creates sinners by means of Adam...
Only by double think can we believe that HE is both holy and creates sinners by making them to be conceived in Adam's sin.

My faith is in GOD being perfectly holy and loving and my sin enslaved me when I and only I made a true free will decision to rebel against HIM as did every other sinner in Creation.

WE are sinners solely by our own will not in any way by HIS will and Adam is not HIS patsy.
 
I tend to agree with a lot of what you post here, but I must say that I disagree with this one. Adam's sin only corrupted himself. It had no real effect on anyone else. And Physical death is an integral feature of creation. God put the tree of life in the garden, the fruit of which could prolong the onset of death so long as Adam had access to it (Gen3:22). The only death that came by way of Adam's sin was spiritual death.
When did infants in the womb sin so they must experience death either physically or spiritually??
 
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