Salvation is according to the will of God
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civic
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Amen brother !
Richard
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I'm a believer
Great
Jude 4 (NIV) — 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
MLV2021) For* some men sneaked in among you°, the ones who have been written about, from long-ago *for this condemnation of the ungodly, the ones transferring {Or: transform} the grace of our God into unbridled-lust and denying our only Master, God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
(ARV 2005) For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master, God, and Lord, Jesus Christ.
(ASV-2014) For there are certain men crept in privily, [even] they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master, God, and Lord, Jesus Christ.
(ISV) For some people have slipped in among you unnoticed. They were written about long ago as being deserving of this condemnation because they are ungodly. They turn the grace of our God into uncontrollable lust and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus the Messiah.
(EHV) For certain individuals slipped in secretly, about whom it was written some time ago that they are condemned. They are ungodly people who turn the grace of our God into a license for sin and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
(LSV) for there came in certain men stealthily, having been written beforehand to this judgment long ago, impious, perverting the grace of our God to licentiousness, and denying our only Master and Lord—Jesus Christ.
(MRC) For certain men have crept in unnoticed, those who were long ago written about beforehand for this judgment, impious ones who transform the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Yeshua the Messiah.
(NTVR) For there are certain men crept in privily, [even] they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master, |God|, and Lord, Jesus Christ.
(NIRV) Certain people have slipped in among you in secret. Long ago it was written that they would be judged. They are godless people. They use the grace of our God as an excuse for sexual sins. They say no to Jesus Christ. He is our only Lord and King.
(MKJV) For certain men crept in secretly, those having been of old previously written into this condemnation, ungodly ones perverting the grace of our God for unbridled lust, and denying the only Master, God, even our Lord Jesus Christ.
etc
And it was Enoch who had prophesied or written
Jude 14–15 (NASB95) — 14 It was also about these men that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones, 15 to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”
brightfame52
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Nothing has changed, God ordained some to condemnation before they were ever born, it doesnt matter you quoting different versions
Still ignoring everything contrary to your view
Jude 4 (NIV) — 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
MLV2021) For* some men sneaked in among you°, the ones who have been written about, from long-ago *for this condemnation of the ungodly, the ones transferring {Or: transform} the grace of our God into unbridled-lust and denying our only Master, God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
(ARV 2005) For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master, God, and Lord, Jesus Christ.
(ASV-2014) For there are certain men crept in privily, [even] they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master, God, and Lord, Jesus Christ.
(ISV) For some people have slipped in among you unnoticed. They were written about long ago as being deserving of this condemnation because they are ungodly. They turn the grace of our God into uncontrollable lust and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus the Messiah.
(EHV) For certain individuals slipped in secretly, about whom it was written some time ago that they are condemned. They are ungodly people who turn the grace of our God into a license for sin and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
(LSV) for there came in certain men stealthily, having been written beforehand to this judgment long ago, impious, perverting the grace of our God to licentiousness, and denying our only Master and Lord—Jesus Christ.
(MRC) For certain men have crept in unnoticed, those who were long ago written about beforehand for this judgment, impious ones who transform the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Yeshua the Messiah.
(NTVR) For there are certain men crept in privily, [even] they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master, |God|, and Lord, Jesus Christ.
(NIRV) Certain people have slipped in among you in secret. Long ago it was written that they would be judged. They are godless people. They use the grace of our God as an excuse for sexual sins. They say no to Jesus Christ. He is our only Lord and King.
(MKJV) For certain men crept in secretly, those having been of old previously written into this condemnation, ungodly ones perverting the grace of our God for unbridled lust, and denying the only Master, God, even our Lord Jesus Christ.
etc
And it was Enoch who had prophesied or written
Jude 14–15 (NASB95) — 14 It was also about these men that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones, 15 to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”
brightfame52
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Nothing has changed, God ordained some to condemnation before they were ever born
Still ignoring everything contrary to your view
Jude 4 (NIV) — 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
MLV2021) For* some men sneaked in among you°, the ones who have been written about, from long-ago *for this condemnation of the ungodly, the ones transferring {Or: transform} the grace of our God into unbridled-lust and denying our only Master, God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
(ARV 2005) For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master, God, and Lord, Jesus Christ.
(ASV-2014) For there are certain men crept in privily, [even] they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master, God, and Lord, Jesus Christ.
(ISV) For some people have slipped in among you unnoticed. They were written about long ago as being deserving of this condemnation because they are ungodly. They turn the grace of our God into uncontrollable lust and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus the Messiah.
(EHV) For certain individuals slipped in secretly, about whom it was written some time ago that they are condemned. They are ungodly people who turn the grace of our God into a license for sin and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
(LSV) for there came in certain men stealthily, having been written beforehand to this judgment long ago, impious, perverting the grace of our God to licentiousness, and denying our only Master and Lord—Jesus Christ.
(MRC) For certain men have crept in unnoticed, those who were long ago written about beforehand for this judgment, impious ones who transform the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Yeshua the Messiah.
(NTVR) For there are certain men crept in privily, [even] they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master, |God|, and Lord, Jesus Christ.
(NIRV) Certain people have slipped in among you in secret. Long ago it was written that they would be judged. They are godless people. They use the grace of our God as an excuse for sexual sins. They say no to Jesus Christ. He is our only Lord and King.
(MKJV) For certain men crept in secretly, those having been of old previously written into this condemnation, ungodly ones perverting the grace of our God for unbridled lust, and denying the only Master, God, even our Lord Jesus Christ.
etc
And it was Enoch who had prophesied or written
Jude 14–15 (NASB95) — 14 It was also about these men that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones, 15 to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”
and that was the condemnation of the false prophets
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brightfame52
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Sorry this is the condemnation of the false prophets
Jude 14–15 (LEB) — 14 And Enoch, the seventh from Adam, also prophesied about these people, saying, “Behold, the Lord came with tens of thousands of his holy ones 15 to execute judgment against all, and to convict all the ungodly concerning all their ungodly deeds that they have committed in an ungodly way, and concerning all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
brightfame52
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It was prophesied or written that the false teachers would face
Jude 14–15 (LEB) — 14 And Enoch, the seventh from Adam, also prophesied about these people, saying, “Behold, the Lord came with tens of thousands of his holy ones 15 to execute judgment against all, and to convict all the ungodly concerning all their ungodly deeds that they have committed in an ungodly way, and concerning all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
You ignored multiple translations and the fact that the Greek word
My Bible Word Study
Lemma
προγράφω prographō write beforehand; enroll
LXGNTLEX write beforehand
LXLXXLEX enroll
BAGD
Translation | LEB
means to write beforehand not ordained or preordained
MTMattie
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Says the hard hearted Calvinist.
MTMattie
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Some men are Christian believers. Some are Calvinist believers. Not all Christian believers are Calvinist believers.
brightfame52
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@TomL
Thats okay,just like all the prophecies in scripture, book of revelation and so forth, all predetermined by God, ordained by God. Those men were ordained to that condemnation, they had no choice in the matter. God purposed their birth into the world, purposed their false teaching status, and their condemnation
Thats okay,just like all the prophecies in scripture, book of revelation and so forth, all predetermined by God, ordained by God. Those men were ordained to that condemnation, they had no choice in the matter. God purposed their birth into the world, purposed their false teaching status, and their condemnation
brightfame52
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And ?
That Christ would come with 10,000 of his angels to judge false prophetsdoes not determine particular men to be false prophets, only that false prophets would be judged
TibiasDad
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Care to point out where sózó is in that verse? (Don’t worry, I’m not holding my breath!)
Doug
MTMattie
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Just sayin
