ExactlyChrist volunteered to come to this earth and rescue us, come what may.
Yes, the evil realm pitted every ounce of evil against Christ, and sent all its esaus on earth to hurt and torture Christ... out of its deep hatred of God.
I proved it wrong here . I’m not going to continue repeating myself even it’s been thou thoroughly addressed and refuted. How many threads do we need on this ? 50 more ?
Yes the Father did not kill ,torture, pour out wrath ( anger, vengeance,retribution )on the Son as some teach, the Jews were responsible for His suffering, torture and death. As Peter preached in Acts Jesus blood was on their hands..
FAQ: Seeing as how human sacrifices are not allowed in the covenant that Moses'
people agreed upon with God in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and
Deuteronomy; how then was it legal for Jesus-- a Jew whose religion was governed
by that covenant --to die for the sins of the world?
REPLY: The laws of God are not retroactive (Deut 5:2-4, Rom 4:15, Rom 5:13) This
is extremely important to note because Jesus was designated, and scheduled, to die
on a cross prior to God beginning to create the cosmos. (1Pet 1:18-21 & Rev 13:8)
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Just tell me what the Bible says,
the Law brings wrath
No, tell me what the Bible says,
the Law brings wrath
I swear I really wanna know
the Law brings wrath
I'm more sincere than you, you know
the Law brings wrath
I don't just preach what I've been taught
the Law brings wrath
I pray and think all for myself
the Law brings wrath
If you could only prove your point
the Law brings wrath
Maybe then admit you're right
the Law brings wrath
But all you got is eisegesis
the Law brings wrath
I purely read the words of Jesus
the Law brings wrath
So I'll dismiss ya, you got nuthin'
the Law brings wrath
Get a verse or you are frontin'
the Law brings wrath
yeah, you jus' got nuthin'
For the law brings wrath (Rom. 4:15)
wrath on the unrighteous, the rebellious, the reprobates,Just tell me what the Bible says,
the Law brings wrath
No, tell me what the Bible says,
the Law brings wrath
I swear I really wanna know
the Law brings wrath
I'm more sincere than you, you know
the Law brings wrath
I don't just preach what I've been taught
the Law brings wrath
I pray and think all for myself
the Law brings wrath
If you could only prove your point
the Law brings wrath
Maybe then admit you're right
the Law brings wrath
But all you got is eisegesis
the Law brings wrath
I purely read the words of Jesus
the Law brings wrath
So I'll dismiss ya, you got nuthin'
the Law brings wrath
Get a verse or you are frontin'
the Law brings wrath
yeah, you jus' got nuthin'
For the law brings wrath (Rom. 4:15)
That was civic OopsDo you even read the posts, lol.
It breaks Trinitarian harmony and pits the Father against the Son.
Why would a loving Father put his own Son in harm's way, that's not love?!
Therefore, the Father never planned for Jesus to die on the Cross.
Prove me wrong!
how did I make an oops maybe I'm having a senor moment and didn't realize it rofl.That was civic Oops![]()
Maybe I need another cup of coffee one wasn't enough. But I thought dizerner Post agreed with you. You're against PSA right? And it sounded like his post was also against it. But if that's not the case then the oops is on me. Just remember I have officially one oopsed ya.how did I make an oops maybe I'm having a senor moment and didn't realize it rofl.![]()
100% against it .Maybe I need another cup of coffee one wasn't enough. But I thought dizerner Post agreed with you. You're against PSA right? And it sounded like his post was also against it. But if that's not the case then the oops is on me. Just remember I have officially one oopsed ya.![]()
Maybe I need another cup of coffee one wasn't enough. But I thought dizerner Post agreed with you. You're against PSA right? And it sounded like his post was also against it. But if that's not the case then the oops is on me. Just remember I have officially one oopsed ya.![]()
I believe he was being sarcastic and making a logical argument in like manner to the argument made. His ultimate goal is to show there is no evidence for some aspects of the claim. At least..... that is how I saw it. My penny.
A thorough study on Isa 53 would prove you wrong.It breaks Trinitarian harmony and pits the Father against the Son.
Why would a loving Father put his own Son in harm's way, that's not love?!
Therefore, the Father never planned for Jesus to die on the Cross.
Prove me wrong!
God did, but you don't understand what that means. You see violence (and there was violence), however, Jesus voluntarily told the Father that He accepts it. You have to understand the nature of Christ. He was both God and human. Both divine and human natures. Both communed in harmony and unity. In Christ you had both the Great High Priest that sanctifies the sacrifice, and the sacrifice that is sanctified. Both parts of the sacrifice existing in one body. While on the cross, the sin that was imputed to the sacrifice by the Great High Priest (read the sacrifice of atonement in the Old Testament), interrupted the communion that had existed from birth between the divine nature, which cannot know sin, cannot become sin, cannot fellowship with sin, from the human nature, which bore the sin imputed by the High Priest (divine nature) onto the sacrifice. The flesh, the humanity, the human, the sacrifice died on the cross. God did not die. However, Peter said that the flesh died, but the spirit was made alive. Alive how? By God. When a human (sinner) dies, the spirit remains dead and is separated from God and goes to torment in hell. When Jesus died, His spirit became alive. Why? No sin. He was sinless. Jesus was with the thief and all the other Old Testament believers in paradise. He was also going through to where the prisoners were chained, and was proclaiming His victory over sin, which those spirits had attempted to thwart during the days of Noah.Yes the Father did not kill ,torture, pour out wrath ( anger, vengeance,retribution )on the Son as some teach, the Jews were responsible for His suffering, torture and death. As Peter preached in Acts Jesus blood was on their hands.