Why I don’t believe or accept the trinity.

Oh yeah, those could be messed up text lines… you gotta remember your reading copies on copies on copies. I know you can only run to other places to make your point but even they can be moved around…

The gospel is not at stake…

The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection… not trinity, or believing that Jesus is God…
The Person who gave His life is God- Acts 20:28- Gods blood
 
You are in denial .

Only God deserves to receive spiritual worship from men.


The New Testament word for worship (proskuneo) means to do obeisance, reverence, or acts of homage (see Thayer, Vine, and Arndt & Gingrich). This word is often used to describe men worshiping God: John 4:20-24; Revelation 4:10; 7:11; 11:16; 14:7; 19:4; 15:4; 1 Corinthians 14:25.


Many verses forbid worshiping men, angels, or any created thing.


Acts 10:25,26 - Cornelius fell down to worship Peter. Peter forbade it saying that he himself was just a man. God deserves worship, but men do not. (Cf. Acts 12:20-23; 14:8-18.)


Revelation 22:8,9; 19:10 - John sought to worship the angel, but the angel forbade it because he was a "fellow servant." "Worship God."


Romans 1:25 - People who worship and serve created things, rather than the Creator, have left the truth of God.


To worship any created thing - whether man, angel, heavenly body, or some other object in nature (mountain, ocean, etc.) - constitutes idolatry.


Only the true God deserves to be worshipped.


Matthew 4:9,10 - Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.


Revelation 9:20 - Idolatry is forbidden because it constitutes worship of someone other than God (Exodus 20:3-6; Deuteronomy 6:13-15; Revelation 14:9-11). [See also Exodus 34:14]


Note: proskunew is forbidden when used for obeisance to men from a spiritual or religious motivation or purpose. The word is sometimes (but rarely) used in the New Testament non-religiously to refer to bowing in obeisance to a king, master, or other person in authority (see Matthew 18:26 - this usage is more common in the Old Testament).


When used for religious honor, however, worship is forbidden toward any except God. In this sense, "worship" is like "lord," "father," "master," etc. The words may be acceptably used for earthly, physical relationships (Ephesians 6:1-9; Colossians 3:21,22), but we are forbidden to use such as religious honor to men or created things (Matthew 23:8-12). [On Revelation 3:9, cf. to 1 Corinthians 14:25]


The concept of Deity distinguishes the Creator from the creature. Things which are created do not have the unique characteristics of God, do not do the unique works of God, and therefore should not be addressed by the unique names of God nor should they be worshipped.


But Jesus received the unique worship God deserves.


He was often worshipped while He appeared on earth before His resurrection.


Matthew 8:2 - A leper came and worshipped Jesus. [9:18; 15:25; Mark 5:6]


Matthew 14:33 - After Jesus had calmed the storm, the disciples worshipped Him saying He was the Son of God.


John 9:38 - After Jesus had healed the blind man, He revealed Himself to be the Son of God (v35). The man said he believed, and he worshipped Jesus.


Note that such religious worship would have been blasphemy and should have been forbidden as it was in the case of Peter, the angel, etc., if Jesus had been just a man on earth.


Created beings also worship Him after His resurrection.


Matthew 28:9,17 - After His resurrection, His disciples worshipped Him. [Cf. John 20:28,29]


Luke 24:52 - Even after He had ascended back to heaven, they worshipped Him.


Hebrews 1:6 - Angels are instructed by God to worship Jesus.


Note that men were rebuked for worshipping men, angels, or created beings, but they were never rebuked for worshipping Jesus. Angels are even instructed by the Father to worship Jesus. The context of the above passages cannot fit the idea of obeisance to an earthly king or ruler. They refer to honoring Jesus as a religious authority - the very thing forbidden when offered to Peter, angels, etc.


Hence, Jesus accepted worship as an act of religious honor. The Scriptures, including Jesus' own teachings, would absolutely forbid this unless He possesses true Deity.


B. Glory and Honor


"Glory" (doxa) means "...praise, honor ... magnificence, excellence, preeminence, dignity, grace ... majesty" - Grimm-Wilke-Thayer.


"Honor" (timh) means "...honor which belongs or is shown to one; the honor of one who outranks others, pre-eminence ... veneration ... deference, reverence..." - Grimm-Wilke-Thayer.


Like the words "power" and "wisdom," both these words can properly be used to refer to men in the physical realm (Matthew 6:29; 1 Peter 1:24). But they are also used to describe a special degree of glory which no one but God can possess.


God receives a special, unique glory and honor.


Psalm 24:7-10 - Jehovah is the "King of glory."


Psalm 29:3 - He is the "God of glory." [Acts 7:2; cf. Isaiah 60:19; Galatians 1:5; etc.]


Revelation 4:9-11 - God deserves this glory because He created all things. Note again the distinction between the creature and the Creator. [Revelation 5:13; Romans 11:36]


Isaiah 42:8; 48:11 - This glory is unique to God in that He refuses to share it with anyone else. Idols and created things have no right to receive this glory.


It follows that it would be blasphemy for anyone but God to receive this unique kind of glory. If anyone does receive this glory with God's approval, then that one must possess Deity.


But Jesus receives the unique glory of God.


John 5:23 - All men should honor the Son "just as" they honor the Father. To fail to give this honor to the Son is to fail to properly honor the Father.


"Just as" (kathos) is translated "even as" in KJV, ASV, NASB, RSV (cf. Thayer and Arndt & Gingrich). Other examples of its use in comparisons is found in Luke 6:31; 11:30; 17:26; John 3:14; 2 Corinthians 10:7; Colossians 3:13; etc.


The significance of the word, when used in comparisons, is that one item or action is just like the other regarding the aspect in which they are being compared. Hence Jesus rightly receives honor just like the honor the Father receives. And if we refuse to give such honor to the Son, then we are refusing to honor the Father!


John 17:5 - Jesus prayed to the Father to "glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was" (NKJV, cf. NASB, NEB; others are similar - ASV, KJV). Jesus asks to be glorified together with the Father with the glory He possessed "with" (para) the Father from eternity.


The clear implication is that Jesus and the Father both possessed the same glory before the world began. Jesus, in coming to earth as a servant, did not then appear to possess that glory but appeared as a man (this is part of what he gave up on coming to earth - Philippians 2:6-8). But having nearly completed His work on earth (John 17:4) and being ready to ascend to the Father, Jesus anticipated receiving this glory again (Philippians 2:9-11).


However, we have already learned that no one but God can receive the glory God has (Isaiah 42:8; 48:11). Jesus did receive that glory with the approval of the Father. Therefore, Jesus possesses Deity.


Revelation 5:12-14 - Both the Father and the Lamb (Jesus) were praised by the created things, who attributed to them "blessing and honor and glory and power." Note that the same glory and honor belongs to both Father and Son.


Hebrews 1:3 - Jesus is the brightness of the Father's glory (or the effulgence or radiance of His glory). That glory which shines from the Father also shines from Jesus because He is the creator (v2), upholds all things (v3), and is the express image of God (v3).


1 Corinthians 2:8; James 2:1 - Jesus is called the "Lord of glory," just as God in the Old Testament is called the "King of glory" (Psalm 24:7-10).


Note that the glory Jesus possesses is not just the glory possessed by men or angels. His glory is above that of angels (Hebrews 1:6,13). He is above all principality, power, might, dominion, and every name that is named (Ephesians 1:21; Philippians 2:9-11). No created being possesses the glory and honor Jesus does.


We have seen, however, that Jesus deserves the glory, honor, and worship of Deity even as the Father does. God forbids this to be given to any but Deity, but Jesus does receive it. This would be blasphemy if Jesus were not God.


Conclusion


If Jesus is not Deity, then who is He? To understand God we must realize that God is not part of the created things. God is the Creator, separate and far above the creatures. This distinction is made again and again in the passages we have studied. Jesus must be classed on one side or the other. Either he is a created being or else He is Deity. To say He is not Deity is to say He is a created being. To say He is not a created being is to say He is Deity. There are no other alternatives.


Men are creatures; angels are creatures that are above men. But Jesus is above the angels and is not classed with them (Hebrews chap. 1 - see especially vv 5,6,13). We have seen that He is not an angel nor an exalted man, but the Bible attributes to Him that which can only be said of God. We have learned that:


* Jesus is expressly stated to be God or to possess Deity.
* Jesus is called by names that may only be used for God.
* Jesus possesses characteristics that only God can possess.
* Jesus does work that only God can do.
* Jesus deserves worship and honor that only God deserves.


In all these areas Jesus is described as the Creator, not a created being. He is eternal, has the power, and did the work of creation. He deserves honor as the Creator. Clearly He is not to be classed with the created things but with Deity.


But we have also proved that there is only one true God who made the universe. If Jesus is "god," He is not an idol nor a false god. Since He possesses Deity and there is only one true God, then He must possess true Deity, not some lesser form of deity. He must be included in the one true God or Godhead along with the Father and the Holy Spirit.


Finally, if Jesus is God then He always has been God and always will be God, since God's unique nature cannot change (Hebrews 13:8). God cannot cease to be God nor can God lose the characteristics of God. He can take on non-Divine characteristics as Jesus added the characteristics of a man when He came to earth, and He can limit the use of His powers in order to accomplish His Divine purposes as Jesus did on earth. But He cannot cease to be God and He cannot lose the power and characteristics of God.


Jesus possesses Deity.


Never once seen anyone worship Jesus. He would have stopped them is they were worshipping him if the sense as being Yahweh… because it would have been against the law… to worship another God…

Even Yeshua states his Father is greater than I…

I never said Jesus was not the Word of God.
 
Never once seen anyone worship Jesus. He would have stopped them is they were worshipping him in the sense as being Yahweh… because it would have been against the law… to worship another God…

Even Yeshua states his Father is greater than I…

I never said Jesus was not the Word of God.
Read the references. Read Revelation chapter 5. He is being worshiped as we speak right now .

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Read the references. Read Revelation chapter 5. He is being worshiped as we speak right now .

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I’ve only see holy holy holy Lord God Almighty worshiped…

I think you ran out of resources to go and by and do. It’s because only the trinity doesn’t exist… and you eventually run out of things to share that but forth the idea of it’s existence when it didn’t exist.
 
To me the Lord God Almighty is the combination of Yahweh and his Word, together again, known as a new title here and only here once… however Yahwehs Word is not above him…

That’s why continued to follow through with Yeshua and his prayer to his Father in his Yeshua name… is the prayer most people tend to have…
 
Yeah, to pervert the Gospel of Yeshua, was to revert back to making yourself right by the Law standards, and not Yeshua who makes you right with God… Paul was trying to help the Galatians in that day who were having some issues. Paul wrote to encourage and to help them continue being part of the bride of Christ which he and the other apostles were in charge over.

That was what Jesus was addressing with the elders and the traditions they were teaching, as well.
Correct-

Occasion/Purpose of Galatians

Bruce has a nice summary:

When, as we are told in Acts 15:1, Judaean visitors came to Syrian Antioch and started to teach the Christians there that those who were not circumcised in accordance with the law of Moses could not be saved, it is antecedently probable that others who wished to press the same line visited the recently formed daughter-churches of Antioch, not only in Syria and Cilicia, as the apostolic letter indicates (Acts 15:23), but also in South Galatia. If so, then the letter to the Galatians was written as soon as Paul got news of what was afoot, on the even of the Jerusalem meeting described in Acts 15:6ff. This, it is suggested, would yield the most satisfactory correlation of the data of Galatians and Acts and the most satisfactory dating of Galatians. It must be conceded that, if this is so, Galatians is the earliest among the extant letters of Paul. 21
The purpose of this letter was obviously, then, to refute the Judaizers’ false gospel—a gospel in which these Jewish Christians felt that circumcision was essential to salvation—and to remind the Galatians of the real basis of their salvation. It was the urgency of the situation which moved Paul to write even before the Jerusalem Council convened, for the churches of Galatia were at stake. 22


E. Theme
Galatians has been called “the Magna Carta of the Reformation” and Luther’s “Katie von Bora.” It is the book on which the Protestant Reformation was founded. The key to this epistle is seen in 2:16: “Know that a man is not justified on the basis of the works of the Law, but on the basis of the faithfulness of Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified on the basis of Christ’s faithfulness, and not on the basis of the works of the Law—for no flesh will be justified on the basis of the works of the Law.” Paul thus links Christ’s complete faithfulness to the old covenant as grounds for the abolition of the old covenant and as the basis for our salvation. In a nutshell, we are justified by faith in Christ because Christ was faithful.

II. Argument
Paul begins his letter to the Galatians in a manner different from all his other canonical epistles: although there is a short greeting (1:1-5), there is no thanksgiving to God for the Galatians. Instead, what follows is a denunciation of the Galatians for having deserted the grace of Christ and following after a false gospel (1:6-10).

The body of the epistle deals with three things: (1) a defense of Paul’s apostleship (1:11–2:21), since the very message of his gospel was at stake; (2) a defense of what that message entails in terms of justification by faith (3:1–4:31), since the Galatians’s standing before God is at stake; and (3) a defense of Christian liberty—which grows out of justification by faith (5:1–6:10), since the Galatians’ walk with God is at stake.
In the first section (1:11–2:21) Paul defends his apostleship in two ways. First, it was received by revelation (1:11-12). Thus its source was divine, not human. Second, it was independent of the Jerusalem apostles (1:13–2:21)—again, stressing its divine roots. Paul elaborates on this second point by taking pains to show that he never even consulted with any other apostles in the first three years after his conversion (1:13-17), and even when he did first visit Jerusalem, the visit was brief and only included time logged with Peter (1:18-24). Finally, when Paul did consult with the apostles (2:1-10) they both required nothing of Titus as to circumcision (2:1-5) and gave hearty approval to Paul’s gospel (2:6-10).
So strong was this approval, in fact, that Paul later felt the freedom to rebuke the chief of the Jerusalem apostles, Peter himself, when the two were in Antioch (2:11-21). The recording of such a rebuke 23 should prove that truth was on Paul’s side, and hence his gospel was from God. (Most likely, the Judaizers had given a biased report of this incident to the Galatians, using it in support of their “gospel”.) Paul’s rebuke was not concerning Peter’s gospel, but concerning his inconsistent behavior with it, for out of fear Peter himself had tacitly agreed with the position of the Judaizers, to the harm of Gentile converts (2:11-13). For this hypocrisy, Paul rebuked Peter (2:14). The basis for the rebuke is then given (though it is unclear whether Paul is quoting himself when he confronted Peter or is now turning to the readers) 24 (2:15-21): in essence, to add law to grace is to destroy grace and to make a mockery of the cross (cf. 2:21).

The second major section (3:1–4:31) is really the heart of this epistle, for Paul clearly sets forth what justification by faith really meant and why it was true. He begins with a justification of justification (3:1-18). The basic gist of his argument was that (1) the Spirit was received by faith, not by works of the Law (3:1-5); (2) the example of Abraham illustrates that one is justified by faith, not by works of the Law (3:6-14); and (3) the Law, which came 430 years after God’s covenant with Abraham, cannot invalidate the promise (3:15-18).

But such vindication of justification by faith raises a problem: why then was the Law given (3:19)? If the same God gave the promise, why would he add the Law? Paul answers this question (3:19–4:6) with two responses: (1) it was temporary in nature, given to remind/warn the nation of Israel that a works-righteousness was thoroughly inadequate, though its standard of perfection anticipated the coming of the Messiah (3:19-25); and (2) it had an inferior status, effectively enslaving those who would be sons (3:26–4:7). Thus the Law had its place, viz., to point out to the nation of Israel its need for Christ.

The apostle now turns to his readers with a direct appeal (4:8-31). Having just demonstrated that the Law enslaved, he points out that the Galatians, too, had experienced slavery as pagans worshipping false gods (4:8-9). By accepting the Judaizers’ message, they would simply replace one kind of slavery with another (4:10-11)! Not only this, but the effect that the Judaizers’ message was having on the Galatians (4:12-20) was not only to alienate them from Paul (4:17), but also to rob them of their joy in Christ (4:15). Paul concludes his appeal employing Hagar and Sarah as an allegory for law and grace (4:21-31).
 
: why then was the Law given (3:19)? If the same God gave the promise, why would he add the Law? Paul answers this question (3:19–4:6)

Paul explains why the law was given, the most important reason.. in Galatians 3


24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ = , that we might be justified by faith.
 
Don't reiterate what was already explained.

The verse i posted, explains why the law was given, as Paul explains.

Your post, that is "cut and paste"... this writer didn't literally post the most important verse.

Im not surprised that you dont realize it., so i posted it for you.
 
The verse i posted, explains why the law was given, as Paul explains.

Your post, that is "cut and paste"... this writer didn't literally post the most important verse.

Im not surprised that you dont realize it., so i posted it for you.
Don't regurgitate of what was already given.
 
Don't regurgitate of what was already given.

Don't pretend to be a teacher when all you do is use other "men's" material, *Cut and Paste".

Remember, it was not long ago that you were a Calvinist..

So, what are you now?

And what will you be tomorrow.. /?????? //// /?????????

Even you don't know that answer., as it all "depends". @Johann

My hope for you, is that you one day get a firm spiritual and theological foundation that is only this..

Paul said.>"follow me, as i follow Christ". "be a follower of me, as i follow Christ".
 
Don't pretend to be a teacher when all you do is use other "men's" material, *Cut and Paste".

Remember, it was not long ago that you were a Calvinist..

So, what are you now?

And what will you be tomorrow.. /?????? //// /?????????

Even you don't know that answer., as it all "depends". @Johann

My hope for you, is that you one day get a foundation that is this..

Paul said.>"follow me, as i follow Christ". "be a follower of me, as i follow Christ".
You make me smile-nothing has changed, you are still the same.
 
you are still the same.

And so are you.

See, when you met me on CBoard, i was teaching Pauline Theology.
I still do.

So, Are you still trying to prove that Water baptism is required for salvation?
Still on that one?

And, Are you still trying to prove that if you are not doing works, you are not really saved?
Still on that one?

And if you were really paying attention, you would realize that when i posted the Galatians verse that is Paul explaining why the Law was given, you would have taken it in a different light.
 
Okay everyone take a deep breath. Maybe walk outside get some fresh air. Then calm down before we do any more posting on this thread please. Just help me out and keep things Civil.
 
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