Do Trinitarians really know their foundational core doctrines and their impact on their beliefs and others?

[101G]

Your answer to question A cannot be correct because Romans 5:15 says “For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.” Some theologians teach that only God could pay for the sins of mankind, but the Bible specifically says that a man must do it. The book of Corinthians makes the same point Romans does when it says “For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead” (1 Corinthians 15:21).

ERROR, read, Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:24 "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:" Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;" Romans 3:26 "To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus." do you understand the "sins that are past?". if not just ask.

Jesus......... the Christ is a MAN. scripture, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
so try again on question A.

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

ERROR, read, Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:24 "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:" Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;" Romans 3:26 "To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus." do you understand the "sins that are past?". if not just ask.

Jesus......... the Christ is a MAN. scripture, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
so try again on question A.

101G.

Good Lord, I was hoping some of you folks would understand some of this. Are there no experienced folks here? Romans 3:23 is referring to Jews and Gentiles. Not Christians.

 

[civic]

Good Lord, I was hoping some of you folks would understand some of this. Are there no experienced folks here? Romans 3:23 is referring to Jews and Gentiles. Not Christians.

Yes Paul is making the case in Romans 3 all are under sin and therefor condemned as sinners.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

The devil tempted/ tested God in the OT and made a deal with God over Job.

Actually it was the other way around, God, wanting to further perfect Job, used satan and Job's "friends" as his "Surgical instruments" to bring Job into the realization of TWO of his issues -
"BEHEMOTH" - Job's tendency to operate IN HIS OWN STRENGTH instead of trusting God.
"LEVIATHAN" - Job's personal PRIDE issues.
Job's repentance is noted at Job 42:6.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Actually it was the other way around, God, wanting to further perfect Job, used satan and Job's "friends" as his "Surgical instruments" to bring Job into the realization of TWO of his issues -
"BEHEMOTH" - Job's tendency to operate IN HIS OWN STRENGTH instead of trusting God.
"LEVIATHAN" - Job's personal PRIDE issues.
Job's repentance is noted at Job 42:6.

You're actually saying God chose evil to perfect Job.....

Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

God doesn't need evil. He uses the perfectly Divine and pure Spirit of God to perfect the saints.

 

[civic]

Actually it was the other way around, God, wanting to further perfect Job, used satan and Job's "friends" as his "Surgical instruments" to bring Job into the realization of TWO of his issues -
"BEHEMOTH" - Job's tendency to operate IN HIS OWN STRENGTH instead of trusting God.
"LEVIATHAN" - Job's personal PRIDE issues.
Job's repentance is noted at Job 42:6.

Job 1
6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”

Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”

8 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”

9 “Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. 10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has?You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”

12 The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.”

Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.

 

[101G]

Good Lord, I was hoping some of you folks would understand some of this. Are there no experienced folks here? Romans 3:23 is referring to Jews and Gentiles. Not Christians.

Yes Paul is making the case in Romans 3 all are under sin and therefor condemned as sinners.

Correct. God took care of everyone's sins that are past, which open the door for all men to come to him, supportive scripture, 1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." did you get that Pete? sins of the whole world.

this is why sinners confess the Lord Jesus, and not their sins in order to be save. salvation is in no other under heaven.

please read your bible with the Holy Spirit, ok. ...... now try again.

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

Correct. God took care of everyone's sins that are past, which open the door for all men to come to him, supportive scripture, 1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." did you get that Pete? sins of the whole world.

this is why sinners confess the Lord Jesus, and not their sins in order to be save. salvation is in no other under heaven.

please read your bible with the Holy Spirit, ok. ...... now try again.

101G.

Good Lord, how long will I be with these people?

9 What then? are we [The Jews] better than they? [The Gentiles] No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; [Jews and Gentiles are under sin. Does not say jack about Christians.]

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: [One who? Jews and Gentiles]

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. [None who? Jews and Gentiles]

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. [The context is still Jews and Gentiles]

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: [Does this sound like Christians who 2 Corinthians 5:21 says are the righteousness of God in Christ.

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: [Is this the fruit of the spirit?]

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood: [Christians?]

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways: [Hello!!!]

17 And the way of peace have they not known: [Context folks. Context.]

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes. [How is it you can't see this?]

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. [Are Christians under the Law or is he speaking about the Jews?]

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. [Thank God.]

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; [Amen.]

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: [Who are all that are going to believe? Jews and Gentiles.]

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; [All who? Jews and Gentiles.]

 

[101G]

Good Lord, how long will I be with these people?

9 What then? are we [The Jews] better than they? [The Gentiles] No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; [Jews and Gentiles are under sin. Does not say jack about Christians.]

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: [One who? Jews and Gentiles]

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. [None who? Jews and Gentiles]

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. [The context is still Jews and Gentiles]

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: [Does this sound like Christians who 2 Corinthians 5:21 says are the righteousness of God in Christ.

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: [Is this the fruit of the spirit?]

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood: [Christians?]

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways: [Hello!!!]

17 And the way of peace have they not known: [Context folks. Context.]

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes. [How is it you can't see this?]

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. [Are Christians under the Law or is he speaking about the Jews?]

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. [Thank God.]

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; [Amen.]

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: [Who are all that are going to believe? Jews and Gentiles.]

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; [All who? Jews and Gentiles.]

and you still haven't Gotten it yet... have you. Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts." Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:" Isaiah 28:11 "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people." Isaiah 28:12 "To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear." Isaiah 28:13 "But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken."

so Pete, let 101G ask you one basic question...... as you say in Context. do you sin now? yes, or No..... Think before you answer. last chance to get it right.

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

and you still haven't Gotten it yet... have you. Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts." Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:" Isaiah 28:11 "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people." Isaiah 28:12 "To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear." Isaiah 28:13 "But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken."

so Pete, let 101G ask you one basic question...... as you say in Context. do you sin now? yes, or No..... Think before you answer. last chance to get it right.

101G.

I cannot sin in Christ. Here's some Scripture on it...

Romans 6
How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

For he that is dead is freed from sin.

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law,

Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

being made free from sin, and become servants to God,

1 John 3 & 5
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not.

 

[101G]

I cannot sin in Christ. Here's some Scripture on it...

Romans 6
How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

For he that is dead is freed from sin.

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law,

Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

being made free from sin, and become servants to God,

1 John 3 & 5
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not.

LOL, Listen Good. 1 John 1:6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:" 1 John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:10 "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

John wrote this to Christians, and not to sinners.

if you think you cannot sin, while in Christ you someone sold you some swamp property. now that you want to quote Romans, good. Romans 6:8 "Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:" Romans 6:9 "Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him." Romans 6:10 "For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God." Romans 6:11 "Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:12 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof." Romans 6:13 "Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God."

did you get that Pete? LET NOT SIN.... LET NOT, yes let is a conditional choice. to or not to. that term "LET" says it all, you can sin"

101G.

 

[civic]

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Yes when we connect the pieces of the puzzle we can see the picture scripture paints of the Creator. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all said to be the Creators of this universe and all it contains. One must come in with biased presuppositions to deny the biblical record testifying that God is Plural.

 

[101G]

Isaiah 45:5 "I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:"
I and me seals the deal

Isaiah 44:8 "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any."

Isaiah 45:21 "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me."
the "LORD, all caps is the Saviour, and there is only one Saviour.

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

LOL, Listen Good. 1 John 1:6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:" 1 John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:10 "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

John wrote this to Christians, and not to sinners.

if you think you cannot sin, while in Christ you someone sold you some swamp property. now that you want to quote Romans, good. Romans 6:8 "Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:" Romans 6:9 "Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him." Romans 6:10 "For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God." Romans 6:11 "Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:12 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof." Romans 6:13 "Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God."

did you get that Pete? LET NOT SIN.... LET NOT, yes let is a conditional choice. to or not to. that term "LET" says it all, you can sin"

101G.

A belief system called Gnosticism was taking root in Christianity at the time the book of John was being written that taught there was a supreme and unknowable Being, which they designated as the "Monad." The Monad produced various gods, who in turn produced other gods, and one of these gods called the "Demiurge" created the earth and then ruled over it as an angry, evil and jealous god. Gnostics believe this evil god was the god of the Old Testament who is called"Elohim" and so the Monad had to send another god known as the "Christ" to bring special knowledge to mankind and free them from the influence of the evil Elohim. And this is why the gnostics do not seek salvation from repenting of their sin (but rather from the ignorance of which sin is a consequence) that they believe the evil creator God and his angels caused. They emphasize salvation of select humans from bodily existence through their awakening to the knowledge of their original divine identity. I believe the Apostle John had them on his mind when he wrote the Epistle of 1 John saying you must realize you have sin and repent. John was not talking to the already saved Christian as the Catholics would like you to believe.

 

[101G]

A belief system called Gnosticism was taking root in Christianity at the time the book of John was being written that taught there was a supreme and unknowable Being, which they designated as the "Monad." The Monad produced various gods, who in turn produced other gods, and one of these gods called the "Demiurge" created the earth and then ruled over it as an angry, evil and jealous god. Gnostics believe this evil god was the god of the Old Testament who is called"Elohim" and so the Monad had to send another god known as the "Christ" to bring special knowledge to mankind and free them from the influence of the evil Elohim. And this is why the gnostics do not seek salvation from repenting of their sin (but rather from the ignorance of which sin is a consequence) that they believe the evil creator God and his angels caused. They emphasize salvation of select humans from bodily existence through their awakening to the knowledge of their original divine identity. I believe the Apostle John had them on his mind when he wrote the Epistle of 1 John saying you must realize you have sin and repent. John was not talking to the already saved Christian as the Catholics would like you to believe.

nope try again.

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

nope try again.

101G.

I see this 1 John chapter 1 as we are either walking in our old dead nature if we are into sin. Or we are walking in the spirit if we are not into sin.

Chapter 1
6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:"
6. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man.

7"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."
7. In him because we are saved and have put on the new man.

8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
8. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man.

9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
9. In him because we are saved and have put on the new man.

10 "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."
10. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man.

 

[101G]

8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
8. Not in him because we are either not saved or have not put on the new man.

did the apostle Peter and the apostle Barnabas sinned? did he stumble while "Waking" in the NEW MAN? let's see by scripture. Galatians 2:11 "But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed." Galatians 2:12 "For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision." Galatians 2:13 "And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation." Galatians 2:14 "But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?" Galatians 2:15 "We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles," Galatians 2:16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." Galatians 2:17 "But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid." Galatians 2:18 "For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor." Galatians 2:19 "For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God." Galatians 2:20 "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:21 "I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."

and the term "BLAME" here is the Greek word,
G2607 καταγινώσκω kataginosko (ka-ta-ǰiy-nō'-skō) v.
to note against, i.e. find fault with.
[from G2596 and G1097]
KJV: blame, condemn
Root(s): G2596, G1097

fault , as a verb here. "To blame, or find fault with, for a wrongdoing" is synonyms with, find guilty of, declare guilty, pronounce guilty, or blame
or condemn. and condemn, In the Bible, condemnation refers to the state of being judged or found guilty for one’s sins.

and walk here in verses 14 is the same in your #7,

7"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."
7. In him because we are saved and have put on the new man.

so you ERROR again, again, and again. no need to try again, you have totally failed at all things here. good day....

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

did the apostle Peter and the apostle Barnabas sinned? did he stumble while "Waking" in the NEW MAN? let's see by scripture. Galatians 2:11 "But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed." Galatians 2:12 "For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision." Galatians 2:13 "And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation." Galatians 2:14 "But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?" Galatians 2:15 "We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles," Galatians 2:16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." Galatians 2:17 "But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid." Galatians 2:18 "For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor." Galatians 2:19 "For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God." Galatians 2:20 "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:21 "I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."

and the term "BLAME" here is the Greek word,
G2607 καταγινώσκω kataginosko (ka-ta-ǰiy-nō'-skō) v.
to note against, i.e. find fault with.
[from G2596 and G1097]
KJV: blame, condemn
Root(s): G2596, G1097

fault , as a verb here. "To blame, or find fault with, for a wrongdoing" is synonyms with, find guilty of, declare guilty, pronounce guilty, or blame
or condemn. and condemn, In the Bible, condemnation refers to the state of being judged or found guilty for one’s sins.

and walk here in verses 14 is the same in your #7,

so you ERROR again, again, and again. no need to try again, you have totally failed at all things here. good day....

101G.

Are you saying it's a sin to refuse to eat with certain people? It might be for you, but it is not for me. You walk in your flesh and that's why you cannot understand me. They that are of the flesh mind the things of the flesh.

 

[101G]

Are you saying it's a sin to refuse to eat with certain people?

when God told you DIRECTLY that the same people you refuse, to eat with yes, and 101G will say it again, yes. because of IGNORANT beliefs, which you know, yes, disobedience to God is a sin....

now I ask you is "disobedience to God a sin?" .... (smile).... YIKES!

did not God show Peter in a vision that the Gentiles was Cleansed? was not this the reason why he went into Bro Cornelius house? so why disobey God command? did not Moses do the same in striking the rock for water when the people were thirsty? why the disobedience? when God clearly told him to speak to the rock.

disobedience against God command is sin. when leaders disobey, that shows the lay can also. so, no need to try again. good day.... I hope. so, that INGORANCE you cannot sin is just that IGNORANCE.

101G.

 

[101G]

I cannot sin in Christ. Here's some Scripture on it...

this is classic deception. I, I, I, cannot sin. 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." this is why we have a advocate. 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"

the basic point is not to sin, because we're growing up. but, and that's one t in but, but if, if, if, we sin.... there it is... if.... if.... we sin, we have an advocate. so if we never sin, because we're in Christ, why need an advocate then? just what common sense is saying. thank you common sense.

101G.