The Trinity The Touchstone of Truth

[Peterlag]

When God sent His Son HE sent Himself

There's no Scripture that says God sent Himself.

 

[Peterlag]

Cognitive bias. They begin with a philosophy about who they believe God is and then impose it on the Bible. It's not completely uncommon and does happen outside of religion, too, but the Muslims do something similar with Jesus. They call Jesus a Muslim because the Quaran talks about him and they will impose that belief on him when they read the Bible. I think at some point it's just that people have their beliefs and they are going to stick with it regardless of what the Bible or anyone says. I think maybe it might be good to help them recognize sola scriptura as authoritative rather than being liberal with extra-Biblical doctrines, creeds, and other teachings.

The Muslims are right about one thing. That many of them are turned off from Christianity because Christians teach that Jesus is God which is insane to Muslims. The trinity forks use all the same Scriptures and there's only a few of them and all bits and pieces of words and half verses that are scattered all over the Bible. The churches all teach the same nonsense and people on here are just repeating what they hear in church and calling it believing the Bible. Thomas is a great example. The guy yells out something like Good Lord, and oh my God and they call that a teaching. A teaching would be a whole paragraph or chapter saying something like...

Verily, verily I say unto you that I am Jesus and I'm also God.

The Epistles would have writings like...

Yay, I Paul do testify that Jesus who is God came down from heaven to be a man for us. And we do know and testify that this same Jesus who you crucified is God. And so let us bow our knee to the one and only true God-Man Jesus Christ.

And yet there's nothing like that anywhere. Not in the Old or New Testament. Not even one complete verse like that.

 

[dwight92070]

Peter’s teaching to the Jews on the Day of Pentecost says “God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.” (Acts 2:36). God must have greater authority than Jesus in order to make him the "Lord." Christ would have already been the “Lord” if he was God—in which case God would not need to “make” him the "Lord." It's also taught that Jesus must be God because he's called the “Lord.” The Greek word for Lord is kurios and is a masculine title of respect and nobility, which is why we see many others besides God and Jesus being called the “Lord."

• Property owners are called the "Lord" (Matthew 20:8) kurios is “owner” in the NIV.
• Heads of households are called the "Lord" (Mark 13:35) kuriosis "owner."
• Slave owners were called the "Lord" (Matthew 10:24) kuriosis "master."
• Husbands were called the "Lord" (1 Peter 3:6) kurios is "master" in the NIV.
• A son called his father the "Lord" (Matthew 21:30) kuriosis "sir."
• The Roman Emperor was called the "Lord" (Acts 25:26) kurios is "His Majesty."
• Roman authorities were called the "Lord" (Matthew 27:63) kurios is "sir."

A husband has greater authority than his wife, but both are equal before God.

 

[Peterlag]

A husband has greater authority than his wife, but both are equal before God.

Neither the husband or the wife is God because one of them is called Lord.

 

[Runningman]

The Muslims are right about one thing. That many of them are turned off from Christianity because Christians teach that Jesus is God which is insane to Muslims. The trinity forks use all the same Scriptures and there's only a few of them and all bits and pieces of words and half verses that are scattered all over the Bible. The churches all teach the same nonsense and people on here are just repeating what they hear in church and calling it believing the Bible. Thomas is a great example. The guy yells out something like Good Lord, and oh my God and they call that a teaching. A teaching would be a whole paragraph or chapter saying something like...

Verily, verily I say unto you that I am Jesus and I'm also God.

The Epistles would have writings like...

Yay, I Paul do testify that Jesus who is God came down from heaven to be a man for us. And we do know and testify that this same Jesus who you crucified is God. And so let us bow our knee to the one and only true God-Man Jesus Christ.

And yet there's nothing like that anywhere. Not in the Old or New Testament. Not even one complete verse like that.

Muslims warm up pretty fast to Christianity when it's presented in the Unitarian theology. I am not saying they are just going to outright convert, but it's at least more palatable to them. I have talked to a few here and there and yes the idea that a man can be God Almighty is a stumbling block to them.

 

[101G]

Your twisting carries 0 value.

so we can take this personal opinion, and not scripture as you're IGNORANT to 101G reply? .... thought so.... next,

101G.

 

[MTMattie]

is this the ONE? Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." WHO IS THI Emmanuel? JESUS, thank you. is it clear now.

Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." IS THIS NOT THE SAME ONE "JESUS" WHO IS EMMANUEL? YES, CASE CLOSED.

argue with yourself, or argue with God, for you're rebuked.

101G.

Interlinear:... Mathew 1:23

Ἰδοὺ ἡ παρθένος ἐν γαστρὶ ἕξει καὶ τέξεται υἱόν καὶ καλέσουσιν τὸ

Behold, the virgin in womb will hold , and will bear a son , and they will call the


ὄνομα αὐτοῦ Ἐμμανουήλ ὅ ἐστιν μεθερμηνευόμενον Μεθ’ ἡμῶν ὁ Θεός

name of him Immanuel, which is being translated , with us - God.

 

[DavidTree]

Which verse says YHWH came to earth as a man.

How is it you do not know this???

 

[DavidTree]

NO it do not. Listen to the very next verse, Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.". he and his is a single person. and on top of that, the Lord Jesus who is God said only ONE PERSON made man male and female in the beginning. do the Lord Jesus LIE? no. listen and LEARN, Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"

Dave, Dave, ..... Dave, can the Lord Jesus/God .... LIE? NO. now unless you want to call the Lord Jesus a Lier, then you better go back to Genesis 1:26 and find out who is the US and and OUR. because the Lord Jesus said, "Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," he is one or a single person, and just killed any three, person in making Man male and female.

Dave, 101G know who the us AND THE our is mention at Genesis 1:26 is. we suggest you go to God and Find out who.

again, don't argue with 101G, argue with God. please find out who is the US and the OUR at Genesis 1:26, and remember Genesis 1:26. you need to KNOW and UNDERSTAND how God when from a US and OUR in verse 26 to a He and His in the very next verse. if you don't know, go to God and find out. else you will be in disobedience to the Faith.

101G.

Genesis 1:26 = THREE = Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness

Gen 1:27 = THREE = "So ELOHIM created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.".

ELOHIM never lies.........

 

[DavidTree]

There's no Scripture that says God sent Himself.

Sure there is = all over the Bible

 

[DavidTree]

I added nothing. It was twisted centuries ago by trinity religions.

ELOHIM = PLURAL = from the BEGINNING = Genesis = Roman catholic church was 1,800 Years AFTER Genesis/Moses

 

[dwight92070]

Muslims warm up pretty fast to Christianity when it's presented in the Unitarian theology. I am not saying they are just going to outright convert, but it's at least more palatable to them. I have talked to a few here and there and yes the idea that a man can be God Almighty is a stumbling block to them.

So you wish to remove the stumbling block to Muslims by changing the meaning of Scripture? This was also a stumbling block to the Jews and of course, people like you.

 

[DavidTree]

So you wish to remove the stumbling block to Muslims by changing the meaning of Scripture? This was also a stumbling block to the Jews and of course, people like you.

YEPPER

They are saying and doing the SAME as the monotheistic atheist Pharisees when the WORD that was GOD became flesh = IMMANUEL

 

[DavidTree]

Interlinear:... Mathew 1:23

Ἰδοὺ ἡ παρθένος ἐν γαστρὶ ἕξει καὶ τέξεται υἱόν καὶ καλέσουσιν τὸ

Behold, the virgin in womb will hold , and will bear a son , and they will call the


ὄνομα αὐτοῦ Ἐμμανουήλ ὅ ἐστιν μεθερμηνευόμενον Μεθ’ ἡμῶν ὁ Θεός

name of him Immanuel, which is being translated , with us - God.

Muslims warm up pretty fast to Christianity when it's presented in the Unitarian theology. I am not saying they are just going to outright convert, but it's at least more palatable to them. I have talked to a few here and there and yes the idea that a man can be God Almighty is a stumbling block to them.

i SEE that you also are stumbling over the ROCK of SALVATION

 

[Peterlag]

So you wish to remove the stumbling block to Muslims by changing the meaning of Scripture? This was also a stumbling block to the Jews and of course, people like you.

There is no Scripture teaching the trinity anywhere in the Bible. No whole paragraph or chapter teaching that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. The verses that are used to try to teach it are all taken out of context, or not understood how the words were used in the culture they were written in, or from a bad translation. It's an evil Catholic concept that was sold to the world mostly by the power of the sword.

 

[Keiw1]

Genesis 1:26 = THREE = Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness

Gen 1:27 = THREE = "So ELOHIM created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.".

ELOHIM never lies.........

You are not reasoning correctly. Let us = Gen 1:26, but in 27 its clear=HE= a single one did the creating.
Thus, let us= YHVH(Jehovah= HE, and his master worker( Jesus= the one beside God during creation( Prov 8:30)--Prov 8:27-28=HE( not we) created-)))))-you see us= we, he does not = us.

 

[Keiw1]

ELOHIM = PLURAL = from the BEGINNING = Genesis = Roman catholic church was 1,800 Years AFTER Genesis/Moses

In the Hebrew language= Elohim is NEVER plural for the true living God. That is where your understanding lacks, because being taught by those serving a non existent God has to twist Gods word to fit their false reasonings, but my first sentence= 100% undeniable fact. They don't go by facts, they are paid to teach a certain religious dogma they were taught in the colleges of men. Holy spirit leads the teachers who Jesus is with.

 

[DavidTree]

In the Hebrew language= Elohim is NEVER plural for the true living God. That is where your understanding lacks, because being taught by those serving a non existent God has to twist Gods word to fit their false reasonings, but my first sentence= 100% undeniable fact. They don't go by facts, they are paid to teach a certain religious dogma they were taught in the colleges of men. Holy spirit leads the teachers who Jesus is with.

LYING is SIN

 

[Keiw1]

LYING is SIN

I agree and trinity teachers know they are lying.

 

[Runningman]

i SEE that you also are stumbling over the ROCK of SALVATION

God being a human is contrary to orthodox Christianity. I understand that it's what you believe in your organization, but it's not what God, Jesus, or the apostles taught.

If I may, why would Paul write some decades after that fact that Jesus is currently a man mediating between God and men? Because Paul didn't believe Jesus is God. Peter was even more aggressive about it though.

1 Timothy 2
5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.