civic
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Ditto
Do Trinitarians really know their foundational core doctrines and their impact on their beliefs and others?
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Peterlag
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Again, the 1 John 1 you keep quoting is not addressed to the Christian who has already confessed their sin and reached out to the Christ. It's written to those who are the unsaved. The reason you keep thinking otherwise is because of what the Catholics taught you. They were the first to teach we are not the righteousness of God in him, but are sinners saved by grace. I forgot more about the Bible than what you are trying to teach me.
Peterlag
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So you're Jewish. You believe in Laws that are not to be broken or we sin against the obedience of God.when God told you DIRECTLY that the same people you refuse, to eat with yes, and 101G will say it again, yes. because of IGNORANT beliefs, which you know, yes, disobedience to God is a sin....
now I ask you is "disobedience to God a sin?" .... (smile)....YIKES!
did not God show Peter in a vision that the Gentiles was Cleansed? was not this the reason why he went into Bro Cornelius house? so why disobey God command? did not Moses do the same in striking the rock for water when the people were thirsty? why the disobedience? when God clearly told him to speak to the rock.
disobedience against God command is sin. when leaders disobey, that shows the lay can also. so, no need to try again. good day.... I hope. so, that INGORANCE you cannot sin is just that IGNORANCE.
101G.
101G
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God created EVIL. and it has it place in God's economy. evil, and as for Job God did not temp, nor tested Job with Evil. for the devil did. and also God use for Evil in doing his bidding. for he sent EVIL angels into Egypt to bring about Israel release. Psalms 78:49 "He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them." just read the chapter.
also God sent an evil spirit unto Saul the king. 1 Samuel 16:23 "And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him." 1 Samuel 16:14 "But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him."
101G
Peterlag
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I do not believe God created evil. Nor did He create darkness. Darkness does not exist. It's what is left in the absence of light.
Complete
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The Scriptures reveal the truth of God to us:-
* David says to God:-
'O LORD, Thou hast searched me, and known me.'
(Psa 139:1)
* The risen Lord says:-
' ... ... I Am He which searcheth the reins and hearts:'
(Rev 2:23)
* Of the Holy Spirit it is also said:-
'God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit:
for The Spirit searcheth all things,
yea, the deep things of God.'
(1Co 2:10)
* David says to God:-
'O LORD, Thou hast searched me, and known me.'
(Psa 139:1)
* The risen Lord says:-
' ... ... I Am He which searcheth the reins and hearts:'
(Rev 2:23)
* Of the Holy Spirit it is also said:-
'God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit:
for The Spirit searcheth all things,
yea, the deep things of God.'
(1Co 2:10)
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Complete
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* In relation to the quickening of God's children, the word of God says:-
'For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them;
even so the Son quickeneth whom He will.'
(Joh 5:21)
'It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.'
(Joh 6:63)
Praise God!
'For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them;
even so the Son quickeneth whom He will.'
(Joh 5:21)
'It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.'
(Joh 6:63)
Praise God!
Complete
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'I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the LORD do all these things.'
(Isa 45:7)
Hello @101G, [@Peterlag]
The word 'evil' (H7451), in the verse above, has the meaning of catastrophe, (i.e., adversity, affliction), possibly as a consequence of sin (in judgement) but not a cause of it. So it is wrong to say that God creates evil in the sense that you appear to suggest I believe.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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dwight92070
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Peterlag said: "Good Lord, I was hoping some of you folks would understand some of this. Are there no experienced folks here? Romans 3:23 is referring to Jews and Gentiles. Not Christians."
Not only do you not accept the plain teaching that Jesus is God, but you also use the name of the Lord in vain, and you have a condescending attitude, saying that there is no one here with experience - except you, of course.
Not only do you not accept the plain teaching that Jesus is God, but you also use the name of the Lord in vain, and you have a condescending attitude, saying that there is no one here with experience - except you, of course.
Complete
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'But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested,
.. being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
.... Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ
...... unto all and upon all them that believe:
........ for there is no difference:
.......... For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
.. Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation
.... through faith in His blood,
...... to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past,
........ through the forbearance of God;
To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness:
.. He might be just,
.... and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.'
(Rom 3:21-26)
Praise God!
.. being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
.... Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ
...... unto all and upon all them that believe:
........ for there is no difference:
.......... For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
.. Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation
.... through faith in His blood,
...... to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past,
........ through the forbearance of God;
To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness:
.. He might be just,
.... and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.'
(Rom 3:21-26)
Praise God!
Peterlag
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Why do people say the Pharisees believed Jesus said he was God? There's no verse in the Bible that says that. The Jews would not have considered Jesus a threat, but insane if he had walked around saying he was God. But it was a threat for Jesus to claim to be the Messiah of God and also walk around doing miracles. Jesus had not been claiming to be God in the flesh and this is why the Jews never asked him at his trial if he was God in the flesh, but instead they asked him about what he had been claiming to be, which was the Messiah. Mark 14:61-62 records the High Priest asking “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?" And Jesus said "I am.” The High Priest tore his garments and said he deserved to be put to death when Jesus stated he was the Messiah. So we see that the Jews correctly assessed that Jesus had been claiming to be the Christ, and that Jesus indeed said he was the Christ, and also that the Jews thought his claim was worthy of the death penalty.
Peterlag
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Some of you folks seem to not be able to read well which tells me why you have trouble reading the Bible. I never said there is no one here with experience except me. Read it again. I was hoping some of you folks would understand some of this and it was referring to Romans 3:23 that is speaking about Jews and Gentiles and not Christians. And then I asked a question looking for experienced folks who can understand Romans 3:23.
civic
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AmenThe Scriptures reveal the truth of God to us:-
'And the Lord (the Spirit) direct your hearts
into the love of God, (the Father)
and into the patient waiting for Christ.' (the Son)
(2Th 3:5)
Amen.
You have to disregard the clearer meaning of the text as well as the views among the Jews. Maybe you could come up with some proof that the someone could blaspheme against the Messiah. I just have not heard that argument before. In lieu of that the only concept of blaspheme is someone's claim of a god other than he who is divine within the Godhead. The other alternative is that Jesus is guilty of blasphemy but was still accepted as a sacrifice for your sins. But why should we stop you from making stuff up?
Peterlag
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There are a few places where the Jews said he makes himself like a god and the trinity folks turn that into he said he was God. Or when the Jews referred to him as divine which is what the son of God is. The trinity boys turn divine into he's God. And then you tell me I'm making stuff up.
what can I say? I'm still waiting for you to start making as solid proposal challenge the triune understanding of God.
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Peterlag
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Solid? Everything I put in front of you is solid. You cannot see it because the Catholics taught you a bunch of trinity verses and you can only see the Scriptures through their eyes.
Peterlag
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when you cannot even identify the confirmation of trinity concept before Roman Catholicism, who can start to take you seriously? Scriptures reveals the God is more complex than simplistic minds could understand. I cannot erase enough scripture to see things the way you have shared so far.
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