Do Trinitarians really know their foundational core doctrines and their impact on their beliefs and others?

mikesw said:
At least those who read the text through the denominations are in much better shape than those who form evil cult teachings.
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If you read the whole Bible you can see the Prophets were never liked by the denominations of their day. They were all laughed at and tortured and even killed. Jesus said the path is small and most will not find it. That puts me in some pretty darn good company. People often say they want to go with what most believe like what the Catholics teach. All though out history the masses have never been right.
 
mikesw said:
when you cannot even identify the confirmation of trinity concept before Roman Catholicism, who can start to take you seriously? Scriptures reveals the God is more complex than simplistic minds could understand. I cannot erase enough scripture to see things the way you have shared so far.
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There was no trinity before the Catholics invented it. How can I write about it?
 
Complete said:
'I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the LORD do all these things.'
(Isa 45:7)

Hello @101G, [@Peterlag]

The word 'evil' (H7451), in the verse above, has the meaning of catastrophe, (i.e., adversity, affliction), possibly as a consequence of sin (in judgement) but not a cause of it. So it is wrong to say that God creates evil in the sense that you appear to suggest I believe.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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did 101G say that or any appearance? so you don't believe or understand scripture. listen carefully. Satan/the devil is not sin, but evil. do you comprehend that. 101G has scripture to back up what he says. ..... :cool:

101G.
 
Peterlag said:
If you read the whole Bible you can see the Prophets were never liked by the denominations of their day. They were all laughed at and tortured and even killed. Jesus said the path is small and most will not find it. That puts me in some pretty darn good company. People often say they want to go with what most believe like what the Catholics teach. All though out history the masses have never been right.
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You have some pretty good company among cultists. you otherwise would realize that we do not have prophets like in the OT. Maybe you should join the NT.
 
Complete said:
* The risen Lord says:-
' ... ... I Am He which searcheth the reins and hearts:'
(Rev 2:23)
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is this not the LORD? Jeremiah 11:20 "But, O LORD of hosts, that judgest righteously, that triest the reins and the heart, let me see thy vengeance on them: for unto thee have I revealed my cause."

this is the same one person. for is not the risen Lord the "LORD?" do not Revelation chapter 4 and 5 prove that out?

101G.
 
Peterlag said:
There was no trinity before the Catholics invented it. How can I write about it?
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I still do not understand how God could be created by people. Nor is the Roman Catholicism existing as a force in the first four centuries. Nor is Christianity to be assumed to be fully controlled under Roman influence in a top-down sense. So, God existed before Catholicism. I also have shown that Paul, at minimal, expressed the equality of Christ's divinity in the Godhead. I do not see it reasonable to find that Paul is mistaken on this.
 
mikesw said:
I still do not understand how God could be created by people. Nor is the Roman Catholicism existing as a force in the first four centuries. Nor is Christianity to be assumed to be fully controlled under Roman influence in a top-down sense. So, God existed before Catholicism. I also have shown that Paul, at minimal, expressed the equality of Christ's divinity in the Godhead. I do not see it reasonable to find that Paul is mistaken on this.
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I hope you get to meet Paul (that is if you make it there) and get to hear him say where the heck did you get these ideas from?
 
Bob Carabbio said:
Since it's in the Bible, apparently you're unfamiliar with that source.
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The word “Trinity” is not in the Bible, and that is supporting evidence that the doctrine is unbiblical, which may be why Trinitarians differ, sometimes greatly in their definitions of the Trinity. The Eastern Orthodox Church differs from the Western Church on the relation of the Holy Spirit to the Father and the Son. Trinitarians who hold to the “classic” definition of the Trinity say Jesus was 100% God and100% man while on the earth believe differently from Kenotic Trinitarians who believe Jesus set aside his godhood while he was a man on the earth. Oneness Pentecostals say the classic formula of the Trinity is completely wrong, and yet all these claim that Christ is God and that the Bible supports their position.

A study of the history of the Christian Church shows a definite development in the doctrine of the Trinity over the centuries. For example, the early form of the Apostles Creed (believed to date back to shortly after the time of the apostles themselves) does not mention the Trinity or the dual nature of Christ. The Nicene Creed that was written in 325 AD and modified later added the material about Jesus Christ being “eternally begotten” and the "true God” and about the Holy Spirit being “Lord.” But it was the Athanasian Creed that was most likely composed in the latter part of the 4th century or possibly even as early as the 5th century that was the first creed to explicitly state the doctrine of the Trinity.
 

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