7xLightray
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What does any of that got to do with me? I am not a trinitarian!
Your Views on The Trinity
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Peterlag
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Are you not the one who believes the Word is a God?
DavidTree
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CORRECT
The Image of God is contained within the Man and the Woman = Mark 10:1-9 and Ephesians 5:22-33
Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.
25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26that He might [g]sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. 28So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. 29For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. 30For we are members of His body, [h]of His flesh and of His bones. 31“For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” 32This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.
DavidTree
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If you truly believe in SALVATION then you are Part of the Body of CHRIST which includes the FATHER and the HOLY SPIRIT.
Every VERIFIED Saint is a Trinitarian whether they know it or not = It is the Eternal Permanent Identity of ELOHIM.
no wonder Peterlag is so confused. He misinterprets scripture and then speaks against people who understand what they have read.
DavidTree
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Status quo on here with the unbelieving bible scholars......................
7xLightray
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Not as a trinitarian does. Their doctrine teaches the person of Christ is God, and His body is from Mary. My doctrine is the word, which was God, became the body of Christ (Jn 1:14; 6:51) which produced the person that grew in wisdom.
I am not saying Jesus is a God, but that Jesus, or the word, is God (the spirit of God, God is spirit, not the person of God) born man, there is a difference. May this be of some help, If I cut off my finger it is still my finger, but it's not me the person. The word is as the rib of Adam. It existed in Adam. It came forth out of Adam, but while it is the rib/word, it is not a person, but then at some point made into a woman/person. When John writes they touched the word of life, His body, he is saying they touched God, because the word was God. So, that was God's flesh and blood (if you except this verse Acts 20:28, if not, Jn 6:51; 1:14) that was upon the cross. The Father is the only true God person, and Christ is His literal son making Him equal with God (Jn 5:18), after it's own kind, but born man! So, there are not two Gods in that sense. There is only one person that always existed (the Father), and the word was with Him.
God is Christ's God, and father. And Christ is my God, in the sense that the word created Adam, and gave him the breath of life, and we were all in Adam when God created him. And He is the life/light of everyone that is born into the world, He is that breath of life. Plus the things you already know of Him being the perfect image of God.
7xLightray
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Isa 40:21 says the it is explained in Genesis. Do you not know? Do you not hear? Has it not been told you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?
Here in Gen 1:27 it says God made man in his own image, and how did He make them in His own image? Do we read about loving and submitting, or whatever else can be put here.? No.
Reads like this: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
Not like this: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; loving and submissive he created them.
One more time: So God created man in his own image, [how did God make man in His own image? did He make him loving and submissive, or male and female?..] in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them [He created him male and female, He created two in His image of "let Us make"].
Adam and Eve are the image.
Adam and Eve are the image of God and His word. And Christ and the church are an image of God and His word. The word is the "body (spirit)" of God. Eve is the body of Adam. The church is the body of Christ.
7xLightray
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Okay.
Well, I asked God about that and this is what He said..
After 14 years of looking to the denominations to find who my God was, and finding scripture to disprove them all, totally taking the wind out of my sails, I asked God. The last words I cried out was, "I don't know what to do? Should I go back to the Trinity? What should I do?" In a unique way He answered. I got up took about two step to my desk, my Bible was already open, I looked down, just started reading the first two verses of Revelation 13, and in that moment I knew there was no way I'm going back to the Trinity, and had the understanding of Rev. 13:18.
This is going to be hard to swallow,edited . I have not gotten to commenting on Revelation yet.
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DavidTree
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Here is Revelation 13:8
"All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world."
Please explain how you arrived at "trinitarians are Satan worshippers" from Revelation 13:8
7xLightray
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First, that may be because I typed Rev. 13:18.
Second, I got the understanding of Rev. 13:18 from first understanding Rev. 13:1-2.
From Rev. 13:1-2 I knew not to worship the Trinity. And from that I knew the understanding of Rev. 13:18, and how to solve it (using only the Bible. God provides everything we need).
This is what I read and saw..
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
DavidTree
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Is it that the leopard/bear/lion of Rev ch13 the reason why you believe any type of trinity is evil?
7xLightray
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No, not "any type of trinity," but why would it matter which trinity.
There may be a bit to go through for one post, but I'll try to do something. Maybe, I'll mention a couple of things and you pick which way you're leaning? If you wish to know, that is.
1) There is our covenant of Gen 15 "The times of the Gentiles," and Joseph raised to the throne showing who the forth nation is. Genesis also giving the big picture for the book of Revelation, in fact..
Isa 46:10 declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’
..the beginning is certainly Genesis, and the end is definitely Revelation.
2) Then there is showing the 7th trumpet is the last trumpet, and that Revelation 12 is history starting over again, from the birth of Christ and being raised to the throne, to the rise of Rev 13:1, which is a judgement upon the churches.
Were you able to solve Rev 13:18 using only the Bible?
DavidTree
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1.) i am very familiar with and LOVE this scripture:
Isa 46:10 declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’
thank you
2.) i am also very familiar and AGREE that the 7th Trump is the last trumpet
3.) the judgment upon the churches is CLEARLY defined by the LORD in the opening of Revelation chapters 2-4.
4.) the leopard/bear/lion represent nations and/or governments and/or philosphical and/or religious powers as well
What is your take on these three in Revelation???
7xLightray
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Not sure which three you are referring to: "1.)2.)3.)4.)", or "nations, governments, philosphical, religious powers."
Not only are there two paths to choose from, but there are four, in each!
So I'm going to do this. Not nations Plural, there is only one beast that comes up out of the sea, the fourth beast kingdom to come after the first three. Though, this Beast is H8133: diverse/change/alter from all kingdoms. But as to our topic, it is also the God they worship (Rev 13:4)!
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Peterlag
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Some thoughts on Thomas because he keeps being mentioned...
We have to remember that Thomas’ statement occurred in a moment of surprise and even perhaps shock. Thomas saw that what Jesus had said was true. The Father had worked in Jesus and raised him from the dead. Thomas, looking at the living Jesus, saw both Jesus and the God who raised him from the dead. It is also important to know that the early manuscripts of the Bible were written in all capital letters. That means that technically, both Elohim in Hebrew and Theos in Greek should always be translated “GOD,” in all capital letters. Since the biblical languages used the word “GOD” to refer to God, lesser divinities such as the Devil, angels, and demons, and also to rulers, judges, and people who represented God in some way, Bible readers are forced to use the context and scope of Scripture to determine whether the modern English translation should be “God,” “god,” or “gods.
We have to remember that Thomas’ statement occurred in a moment of surprise and even perhaps shock. Thomas saw that what Jesus had said was true. The Father had worked in Jesus and raised him from the dead. Thomas, looking at the living Jesus, saw both Jesus and the God who raised him from the dead. It is also important to know that the early manuscripts of the Bible were written in all capital letters. That means that technically, both Elohim in Hebrew and Theos in Greek should always be translated “GOD,” in all capital letters. Since the biblical languages used the word “GOD” to refer to God, lesser divinities such as the Devil, angels, and demons, and also to rulers, judges, and people who represented God in some way, Bible readers are forced to use the context and scope of Scripture to determine whether the modern English translation should be “God,” “god,” or “gods.
Thomas referred to Jesus as "my God" and whenever a believer in the Bible uses this expression it always refers to the Almighty.
Peterlag
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That cannot be true since Jesus is not God and Thomas knew that. Thomas did not even think Jesus was going to get up from the dead. If Thomas thought he was God... then getting up from the dead would have not been a problem for Thomas.
Your presuppositions have so flooded your mind that you can no longer see straight.
