Runningman
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Keep telling yourself that if it helps you feel better. It must be difficult to have such a fragile doctrine that falls over in the slightest wind.
Significance of the Virgin Birth
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Runningman
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civic
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I can play Scripture toss much better than you.
1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us understanding so that we can know the true God. And now we live in fellowship with the true God because we live in fellowship with his Son, Jesus Christ. He is the only true God, and he is eternal life.
Jude 1:4
For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
Runningman
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Let's see.I can play Scripture toss much better than you.
Is this the New Living Translation? The word "only" absolutely does not appear in the Greek. This is about the Father being the True God. There is no precedent for Jesus being the true God.
So Jesus is the servant of the Sovereign Lord?
Acts 4
24When the believers heard this, they lifted up their voices to God with one accord. “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “You made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them.
27In fact, this is the very city where Herod and Pontius Pilate conspired with the Gentiles and the people of Israel against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed.
Romans 10:13 isn't going away.
civic
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Yes the One and Only Lord a person must call upon to be saved.
No wiggle room in that passage.
That eliminates Unitarianism completely and utterly destroys salvation according to their false doctrine on God.
This is why so many of them won't delve into Romans 10:13 that much.
Many of them will insist it doesn't refer to Jesus and then simply move on.
It is really pitiful.
civic
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Totally Sadducee
Runningman
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Romans 10:13 is a Unitarian prooftext and it's what we're all using too.
A prooftext refers to verses people use out of context to defend their mistaken views. This message is actually from Joel 2:32 and indicates Yahweh there and then of Jesus, the Lord, as shown in Rom 10:9. Stop misapplying verses about Christ just to argue for a unitarian heresy.
Runningman
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Romans 10
13for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Now look at Joel 2:
32And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD
will be saved;
for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there will be deliverance, as the LORD has promised,
among the remnant called by the LORD.
This is what we call a checkmate. The one being called on to be saved is not Jesus, but is rather YHWH.
Now look here:
Romans 10
11It is just as the Scripture says: “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.”
Isaiaih 28
16So this is what the Lord GOD says:
“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a tested stone,
a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation;
the one who believes will never be shaken.
This is what we call a checkmate. YHWH is distinct from the stone He layed in Zion. The stone is Jesus, YHWH is not the stone. Therefore Jesus is not YHWH, Jesus is not God.
Are you trying to relate Isaiah 28 somehow to Romans 10? I fail to see how you do this. Sorry if I have not done a special study of unitarian "logic."
Runningman
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Look. The one to believe in is distinct from the LORD because he's the stone the LORD laid yet you're claiming Jesus is the LORD, but he's not.
Romans 10
11It is just as the Scripture says: “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.”
Isaiaih 28
16So this is what the Lord GOD says:
“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a tested stone,
a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation;
the one who believes will never be shaken.
So we show the ambiguity of the divinity and humanity of Jesus. What is your point? That is why we have the understanding of Triune God.
