Your Views on The Trinity

FreeInChrist said:
Well the Aramaic was not as a Catholic Translation as it was during the time of Jesus and an accepted language of his....

Translations from Aramaic
Lamsa Bible
THE Word was in the beginning, and that very Word was with God, and God was that Word.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
In the origin The Word had been existing and That Word had been existing with God and That Word was himself God.

Peshitta

1In the origin The Word had been existing and That Word had been existing with God and That Word was himself God.

AND certainly not the Hebrew Gospel of John... link provided so you can look up stuff for yourself.
It will not copy so I am typing what it says but look at the link for yourself.
They say in the beginning....​

John​

We are excited to share with you the first ever English translation​

of an authentic Hebrew manuscript of John! (Guaranteed no Catholic tainting)​


Then John 1:1

YOCHANAN
1. In the beginning was the son of Eloah. The son of El was both with El, and the son of El was Eloah.
And neither is the Complete Jewish Bible (Guaranteed no Catholic tainting)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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a god is 100% correct--The worlds jaws will drop when they find out.
 
Keiw1 said:
a god is 100% correct--The worlds jaws will drop when they find out.
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If you are so certain then why have you not provided a specific link and quote that would show the world?

I have forgotten... are you by any chance Mormon?
 
FreeInChrist said:
If you are so certain then why have you not provided a specific link and quote that would show the world?

I have forgotten... are you by any chance Mormon?
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ANY can look up John 1:1-2Cor 4:4 in Greek--The true living God= God is called a different Greek word than the Word is called or satan is called. The Word and satan are both called the same exact Greek word yet translated 2 different ways in error translations= God for the Word and god for satan. FACT, if the Word were God he would have been called the same Greek word the true God is called at both spots.
 
Keiw1 said:
ANY can look up John 1:1-2Cor 4:4 in Greek--The true living God= God is called a different Greek word than the Word is called or satan is called. The Word and satan are both called the same exact Greek word yet translated 2 different ways in error translations= God for the Word and god for satan. FACT, if the Word were God he would have been called the same Greek word the true God is called at both spots.
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that is exactly why I asked if you were Mormon. It is one of their teachings
 
Image if you will that you are going to kill God. Just stop your mind for a few seconds and honestly think about that. Does it cross your mind that you just might be picking a fight with someone that is bigger than what you could handle? You were dead if you walked in the wrong room in the Temple or if you accidentally bumped into the Ark of the Covenant. The Jews would not have considered Jesus a threat, but insane if he had walked around saying he was God.

Jesus had not been claiming to be God in the flesh and this is why the Jews never asked him at his trial if he was God in the flesh, but instead they asked him about what he had been claiming to be, which was the Messiah. Mark 14:61-62 records the High Priest asking “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?" And Jesus said "I am.” The High Priest tore his garments and said he deserved to be put to death when Jesus stated he was the Messiah. So we see that the Jews correctly assessed that Jesus had been claiming to be the Christ, and that Jesus indeed said he was the Christ, and also that the Jews thought his claim was worthy of the death penalty.
 
God cannot Sin
God cannot Lie
God cannot Die

We are talking about the Jews killing Jesus. Would they try it if they thought they were picking a fight with God?
 
Peterlag said:
God cannot Sin
God cannot Lie
God cannot Die

We are talking about the Jews killing Jesus. Would they try it if they thought they were picking a fight with God?
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Which is why people like you caould not know.

Of course they would not and what would that have meant? It would have meant that the very reason he came to earth to begin with would not be achieved because no one except the Pagans would have tried to kill him and because suicide is a no no?
 
Peterlag said:
Jesus had not been claiming to be God in the flesh and this is why the Jews never asked him at his trial if he was God in the flesh, but instead they asked him about what he had been claiming to be, which was the Messiah. Mark 14:61-62 records the High Priest asking
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Not everyone is priviledged to know about Him. Only those who can. Obviously that is not you.

You will read the following and then fight against it. It is because you are not to know.

Did you not say?
God cannot Sin
God cannot Lie
Jesus did neither.

Did you not say?
God cannot Die

God is spirit. Spirits cannot die. Jesus , as a tripartite human had a spirit. His Spirit never died....

JESUS IS GOD

Debate over... the Trins won!!!!!!!!!

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Yes, Jesus claimed to be God in the flesh through various statements and actions that indicated his divine nature, such as saying "I am" in reference to God and asserting his unity with the Father (John 10:30). The New Testament presents him as both fully G



od and fully man, affirming his divinity through his teachings and miracles. goingfarther.net Reformed Theological Seminary

Jesus' Claims of Divinity​

Direct Statements​

Jesus made several statements that imply his divinity. For instance, in John 8:58, he says, “Before Abraham was, I AM,” referencing the divine name given to Moses in Exodus 3:14. This statement was understood by his audience as a claim to be God.

Unity with the Father​

In John 10:30, Jesus states, “I and the Father are one,” which indicates a unique relationship with God. This claim led to accusations of blasphemy from religious leaders, showing they understood his words as a declaration of divinity.

Miracles and Authority​

Jesus performed miracles that demonstrated his divine authority, such as forgiving sins (Mark 2:5-7) and raising the dead (John 5:25-29). These actions were seen as attributes of God, further supporting his claim to be divine.

Biblical Affirmations of His Divinity​

New Testament Teachings​

The New Testament writers consistently affirm Jesus' divinity. For example, Colossians 2:9 states, “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.” This reinforces the belief that Jesus is both fully God and fully man.

Theological Implications​

Christian doctrine holds that Jesus is God incarnate, meaning God took on human form. This belief is foundational to Christianity, emphasizing that Jesus is not merely a prophet or teacher but God in the flesh.

In summary, Jesus did claim to be God in various ways, both through his words and actions, and this belief is central to Christian faith.
 
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FreeInChrist said:
Not everyone is priviledged to know about Him. Only those who can. Obviously that is not you.

You will read the following and then fight against it. It is because you are not to know.

Did you not say?
God cannot Sin
God cannot Lie
Jesus did neither.

Did you not say?
God cannot Die

God is spirit. Spirits cannot die. Jesus , as a tripartite human had a spirit. His Spirit never died....

JESUS IS GOD

Debate over... the Trins won!!!!!!!!!

Search Assist

Yes, Jesus claimed to be God in the flesh through various statements and actions that indicated his divine nature, such as saying "I am" in reference to God and asserting his unity with the Father (John 10:30). The New Testament presents him as both fully G



od and fully man, affirming his divinity through his teachings and miracles. goingfarther.net Reformed Theological Seminary

Jesus' Claims of Divinity​

Direct Statements​

Jesus made several statements that imply his divinity. For instance, in John 8:58, he says, “Before Abraham was, I AM,” referencing the divine name given to Moses in Exodus 3:14. This statement was understood by his audience as a claim to be God.

Unity with the Father​

In John 10:30, Jesus states, “I and the Father are one,” which indicates a unique relationship with God. This claim led to accusations of blasphemy from religious leaders, showing they understood his words as a declaration of divinity.

Miracles and Authority​

Jesus performed miracles that demonstrated his divine authority, such as forgiving sins (Mark 2:5-7) and raising the dead (John 5:25-29). These actions were seen as attributes of God, further supporting his claim to be divine.

Biblical Affirmations of His Divinity​

New Testament Teachings​

The New Testament writers consistently affirm Jesus' divinity. For example, Colossians 2:9 states, “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.” This reinforces the belief that Jesus is both fully God and fully man.

Theological Implications​

Christian doctrine holds that Jesus is God incarnate, meaning God took on human form. This belief is foundational to Christianity, emphasizing that Jesus is not merely a prophet or teacher but God in the flesh.

In summary, Jesus did claim to be God in various ways, both through his words and actions, and this belief is central to Christian faith.
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John 10:30 is not a teaching on the trinity or that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. There is no reason to take this verse to mean that Christ was saying that he and the Father make up "one God." The phrase was a common one, and even today if someone used it, people would know exactly what they meant... he and his Father are very much alike. When Paul wrote to the Corinthians about his ministry there, he said that he had planted the seed and Apollos had watered it. Then he said, "... he who plants and he who waters are one..." (1 Corinthians 3:8 NKJV). In the Greek texts, the wording of Paul is the same as that in John 10:30, yet no one claims that Paul and Apollos make up "one being." Christ uses the concept of "being one" in other places, and from them one can see that "one purpose" is what is meant. John 11:52 says Jesus was to die to make all God's children "one." In John 17:11, 21 and 22, Jesus prayed to God that his followers would be "one" as he and God were "one." I think it's obvious that Jesus was not praying that all his followers would become one being in "substance" just as he and his Father were one being or "substance." I believe the meaning is clear: Jesus was praying that all his followers be one in purpose just as he and God were one in purpose.
 
FreeInChrist said:
Which is why people like you caould not know.

Of course they would not and what would that have meant? It would have meant that the very reason he came to earth to begin with would not be achieved because no one except the Pagans would have tried to kill him and because suicide is a no no?
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God gave the Scriptures to the Jewish people...

and the Jewish religion and worship that comes from that revelation does not contain any reference to or teachings about a triune God. Surely the Jewish people were qualified to read and understand it, but they never saw the doctrine of the Trinity.

Now go ahead and tell me the Jews knew he was God. Because when you do I would like to mention that killing God was not part of their religion. I mean we are talking about the Jews killing Jesus. Would they have tried it if they thought they were picking a fight with God?
 
Peterlag said:
God gave the Scriptures to the Jewish people...

and the Jewish religion and worship that comes from that revelation does not contain any reference to or teachings about a triune God. Surely the Jewish people were qualified to read and understand it, but they never saw the doctrine of the Trinity.

Now go ahead and tell me the Jews knew he was God. Because when you do I would like to mention that killing God was not part of their religion. I mean we are talking about the Jews killing Jesus. Would they have tried it if they thought they were picking a fight with God?
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(y)(y) This site chased away the one who could confirm that last week.

I would like to mention that killing God was not part of their religion. I mean we are talking about the Jews killing Jesus.

YOU ARE CONFIRMING THAT JESUS WAS GOD. YOU SAY THE JEWS DID NOT KNOW HE WAS, YET YOU ARE STATING HE WAS.

WELCOME " Now go ahead and tell me the Jews knew he was God. THEY DID NOT HAVE TO.... BUT YOU DO OR YOU WOULD NOT HAVE SAID IT LIKE THIS

EVERYTHING YOU SAY HERE " Because when you do I would like to mention that killing God was not part of their religion. I mean we are talking about the Jews killing Jesus. Would they have tried it if they thought they were picking a fight with God?" IS SAYING THEY DID NOT KNOW HE WAS GOD.... BUT YOU ARE TALKING LIKE YOU DO.

If THAT IS NOT THE CASE REPHRASE YOURSELF.... or forever count yourself among the winners. And we shall engrave your name for all to see

"the Trins win"

Speaking of which... I heard from Red with a message to you and @Runningman

Keep the fort down and warn them whatever they post I will hold them accountable when I return. :)
 
@Peterlag

A Reminder.

PAY ATTENTION

It is true that Jesus never said the exact words, “I am God.” He did, however, make the claim to be God in many different ways, and those who heard Him knew exactly what He was saying. For example, in John 10:30, Jesus said, “I and the Father are one.” The Jews who heard Him make that statement knew well that He was claiming to be God, as witnessed by their reaction: “His Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him” (John 10:31). When He asked them why they were attempting to stone Him, they said, “For blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). Stoning was the penalty for blasphemy (Leviticus 24:16), and the Jews plainly accused Jesus of claiming to be God.

Can we say... liar, liar pants on fire??????????????????????????????????????????????????????/
Jesus made another statement claiming to be God when He said, “Very truly I tell you, . . . before Abraham was born, I am!” (John 8:58). The Jews, upon hearing Him, clearly understood that He was claiming preexistence and, more than that, to be Yahweh, the great “I AM” of Exodus 3:14.
The disciples of Jesus distinctly heard Him declare His deity. After Jesus’ resurrection, Thomas the doubting disciple finally understood Jesus’ deity, declaring Him to be “my Lord and my God” (John 20:28). If Jesus were not Lord and God, He would have corrected Thomas, but He did not;

PAY ATTENTION: FROM ONE WHO SHOULD KNOW

Even God the Father referred to Jesus as God: “About the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever’” (Hebrews 1:8, quoting Psalm 45:6).
 
JLB said:
I have given many many scriptures that plainly and clearly show us Jesus is LORD; YHWH

ALL you have done is deny them while at the same time failing to show ANY scriptures that teach otherwise.

You have CLOSED your eyes to the truth.

We all recognize this about you.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10


In this verse The Father says of the Son -

Your throne O God is forever.

In this verse The Father says of the Son -

You LORD (YHWH) in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
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Its undeniable and irrefutable. :)
 
Keiw1 said:
Greek interlinear--translated from Catholicism translating=all screwed up.
Prov 8:22--Possessed( created) me as the beginning of your way( creating)=Gods master worker( Prov 8:30= the one who was beside God during creation. We all know it was the being named Jesus as a mortal who was beside God during creation.
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I have the hardest time understanding you.

First of all Proverbs was from the Hebrew Interlinear, and if you have one in Greek that is from Satan and certainly is all screwed up... It Hebrew Interlinear is not. The link to it that I posted below. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/proverbs/8.htm

Learn:
Proverbs is primarily found in the Hebrew Bible, but it can also be translated into Greek in the Septuagint version. The interlinear versions typically focus on the original Hebrew text alongside translations.

So the Hebrew interlinear says: Exactly as translated as written as they read right to left.

Prov 8:22 from then His works Before of His way at the beginning possessed me Yahweh

Prov 8:30 - of the earth the foundations when He marked out by day day [His] delight and I was [as] a [master] craftsman beside Him and I was - always before Him Rejoicing

Do YOU need me to write it the way we normally would read it?

You said " We all know it was the being named Jesus as a mortal who was beside God during creation."
Are you saying that a mortal man was beside God during creation?

When did He get His name?
 
FreeInChrist said:
@Peterlag

A Reminder.

PAY ATTENTION

It is true that Jesus never said the exact words, “I am God.” He did, however, make the claim to be God in many different ways, and those who heard Him knew exactly what He was saying. For example, in John 10:30, Jesus said, “I and the Father are one.” The Jews who heard Him make that statement knew well that He was claiming to be God, as witnessed by their reaction: “His Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him” (John 10:31). When He asked them why they were attempting to stone Him, they said, “For blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). Stoning was the penalty for blasphemy (Leviticus 24:16), and the Jews plainly accused Jesus of claiming to be God.

Can we say... liar, liar pants on fire??????????????????????????????????????????????????????/
Jesus made another statement claiming to be God when He said, “Very truly I tell you, . . . before Abraham was born, I am!” (John 8:58). The Jews, upon hearing Him, clearly understood that He was claiming preexistence and, more than that, to be Yahweh, the great “I AM” of Exodus 3:14.
The disciples of Jesus distinctly heard Him declare His deity. After Jesus’ resurrection, Thomas the doubting disciple finally understood Jesus’ deity, declaring Him to be “my Lord and my God” (John 20:28). If Jesus were not Lord and God, He would have corrected Thomas, but He did not;

PAY ATTENTION: FROM ONE WHO SHOULD KNOW

Even God the Father referred to Jesus as God: “About the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever’” (Hebrews 1:8, quoting Psalm 45:6).
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John 10:30 is not a teaching on the trinity or that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. There is no reason to take this verse to mean that Christ was saying that he and the Father make up "one God." The phrase was a common one, and even today if someone used it, people would know exactly what they meant... he and his Father are very much alike. When Paul wrote to the Corinthians about his ministry there, he said that he had planted the seed and Apollos had watered it. Then he said, "... he who plants and he who waters are one..." (1 Corinthians 3:8 NKJV). In the Greek texts, the wording of Paul is the same as that in John 10:30, yet no one claims that Paul and Apollos make up "one being." Christ uses the concept of "being one" in other places, and from them one can see that "one purpose" is what is meant. John 11:52 says Jesus was to die to make all God's children "one." In John 17:11, 21 and 22, Jesus prayed to God that his followers would be "one" as he and God were "one." I think it's obvious that Jesus was not praying that all his followers would become one being in "substance" just as he and his Father were one being or "substance." I believe the meaning is clear: Jesus was praying that all his followers be one in purpose just as he and God were one in purpose.
 
FreeInChrist said:
@Peterlag

A Reminder.

PAY ATTENTION

It is true that Jesus never said the exact words, “I am God.” He did, however, make the claim to be God in many different ways, and those who heard Him knew exactly what He was saying. For example, in John 10:30, Jesus said, “I and the Father are one.” The Jews who heard Him make that statement knew well that He was claiming to be God, as witnessed by their reaction: “His Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him” (John 10:31). When He asked them why they were attempting to stone Him, they said, “For blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). Stoning was the penalty for blasphemy (Leviticus 24:16), and the Jews plainly accused Jesus of claiming to be God.
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Right. John does not claim that the Jews mistook Jesus as implying his divinity. Also, those who heard Jesus could associate this oneness with the Shema rather than just being allied (i.e. a close relationship).

FreeInChrist said:
Can we say... liar, liar pants on fire??????????????????????????????????????????????????????/
Jesus made another statement claiming to be God when He said, “Very truly I tell you, . . . before Abraham was born, I am!” (John 8:58). The Jews, upon hearing Him, clearly understood that He was claiming preexistence and, more than that, to be Yahweh, the great “I AM” of Exodus 3:14.
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Right. Their response was a bit funny but indeed reflected their limits of their imagination that they could only say he was no more than 40 years when, if continually on earth in human form, he would be more than 2000 years old. But the present tense obviously is about being outside of time (while relating his wording within time). If he were talking about prophecy of him instead of his continual existence, he could have said he was the one prophesied and thus skip the "I Am" statement spoken in the Aramaic.
FreeInChrist said:
The disciples of Jesus distinctly heard Him declare His deity. After Jesus’ resurrection, Thomas the doubting disciple finally understood Jesus’ deity, declaring Him to be “my Lord and my God” (John 20:28). If Jesus were not Lord and God, He would have corrected Thomas, but He did not;
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Eggs...actly.

FreeInChrist said:
PAY ATTENTION: FROM ONE WHO SHOULD KNOW

Even God the Father referred to Jesus as God: “About the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever’” (Hebrews 1:8, quoting Psalm 45:6).
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Hard to argue against.
 
FreeInChrist said:
(y)(y) This site chased away the one who could confirm that last week.

I would like to mention that killing God was not part of their religion. I mean we are talking about the Jews killing Jesus.

YOU ARE CONFIRMING THAT JESUS WAS GOD. YOU SAY THE JEWS DID NOT KNOW HE WAS, YET YOU ARE STATING HE WAS.

WELCOME " Now go ahead and tell me the Jews knew he was God. THEY DID NOT HAVE TO.... BUT YOU DO OR YOU WOULD NOT HAVE SAID IT LIKE THIS

EVERYTHING YOU SAY HERE " Because when you do I would like to mention that killing God was not part of their religion. I mean we are talking about the Jews killing Jesus. Would they have tried it if they thought they were picking a fight with God?" IS SAYING THEY DID NOT KNOW HE WAS GOD.... BUT YOU ARE TALKING LIKE YOU DO.

If THAT IS NOT THE CASE REPHRASE YOURSELF.... or forever count yourself among the winners. And we shall engrave your name for all to see

"the Trins win"

Speaking of which... I heard from Red with a message to you and @Runningman

Keep the fort down and warn them whatever they post I will hold them accountable when I return. :)
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So you're telling us that the Jews believed Jesus was God and wanted to pick a fight with God? Sorry, that is not a very convincing theory.
 

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