Your Views on The Trinity

Peterlag said:
I now spend much of my time right inside the spirit as close as I can get right in their face. The Greek word menō translated "abide" often deals with being in him, which I'm very concerned about when it comes to walking in Christ, which I believe is the same as walking in the spirit. To be in him or to abide in him deals with remaining or continuing to be present. To dwell, live, and be within him to the end that we are operative in him by his divine influence and energy. My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners. They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin. I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit.
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Thanks, but it didn't answer the question I asked you.
 
Fred said:
Thanks, but it didn't answer the question I asked you.
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Yeah I did. I just went a little further with it. I believe Jesus is the son of God and you asked if I can pray to him. I'm well beyond that because I'm in Christ which is not the same as Christ in me. I have partnered with him in that I'm walking in him or walking by the spirit. It's the spirit of Christ.
 
Peterlag said:
Yeah I did. I just went a little further with it. I believe Jesus is the son of God and you asked if I can pray to him. I'm well beyond that because I'm in Christ which is not the same as Christ in me. I have partnered with him in that I'm walking in him or walking by the spirit. It's the spirit of Christ.
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Son of God means He has the nature of God, a divine nature.

Son of man means He has the nature of man, a human nature :)

hope this helps. !!!
 
civic said:
No I started this forum with our @Administrator. I don’t like to moderate I enjoy posting and apologetics. Allot of us were on another forum for many years and several people asked if I would start a forum. I did not want to do it alone and asked our administrator if he would like to do it together and here we are 1 year later on this forum.
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Bingo!! I was right. You are even bigger than an administrator. A founder.
 
Peterlag said:
Bingo!! I was right. You are even bigger than an administrator. A founder.
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I don’t have an ego I’m here to defend the Christian faith and discuss it with those who agree and those who don’t. I enjoy apologetics as I’m sure you do. I hope we can have some great and fruitful, edifying discussions.

Most all forum owners never interact with the members. No matter if we get 1000’s of members here that will never change with me as I enjoy discussing our beliefs on a daily basis with everyone from every belief system. :)

Our goal is to have a safe place for everyone to discuss their beliefs.

Many forums won’t allow the core beliefs to be challenged and segregate the membership. We do not do that here and was one of the core values we wanted to implement that makes us different from the rest of the forums.

I was a member on another forum and I wasn’t allowed to mention the Trinity or defend it as it was off limits. That’s ridiculous imho.
 
Peterlag said:
Something that is openly admitted by theologians that is not known by many Christians is that the doctrine of the Trinity is not stated in the Bible, but is actually “built” by piecing together statements that are said to support it. Since most Christians believe the Trinity is a mystery and not to be understood is a huge reason why doctrinal discussions about it are often avoided or brushed aside and ignored. Worse, the teaching that the Trinity is a“mystery” has been used as a club to beat down doubters and dissenters, and those people are often branded as “heretics” and their role in Christianity minimized.
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Imagine how horrible the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons feel about being on the outside of acceptable Christianity because they do no follow the creeds. If you have the grand proof that the trinitarian concept is not adequate, then get that written out and argued among the great theologians. The trinitarian doctrine is a mainly rejecting inconsistent concepts about God so people are not misled. That may not be satisfying to people who think God should be more obvious to their minds.
 
civic said:
I don’t have an ego I’m here to defend the Christian faith and discuss it with those who agree and those who don’t. I enjoy apologetics as I’m sure you do. I hope we can have some great and fruitful, edifying discussions.

Most all forum owners never interact with the members. No matter if we get 1000’s of members here that will never change with me as I enjoy discussing our beliefs on a daily basis with everyone from every belief system. :)

Our goal is to have a safe place for everyone to discuss their beliefs.

Many forums won’t allow the core beliefs to be challenged and segregate the membership. We do not do that here and was one of the core values we wanted to implement that makes us different from the rest of the forums.

I was a member on another forum and I wasn’t allowed to mention the Trinity or defend it as it was off limits. That’s ridiculous imho.
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wow. The Trinitarian doctrine is pretty central to most of Christianity so it is odd to be excluded from discussion.
The forum I was spending time at was formed largely for apologetics and then had an area of chat for unorthodox Christians while other areas only permitted discussions of Christianity and theology within the orthodox views. That is sort of helpful for newer Christians who did not need to be cluttered with controversies. Alas though, the site is mainly discussing political stuff.
 
mikesw said:
wow. The Trinitarian doctrine is pretty central to most of Christianity so it is odd to be excluded from discussion.
The forum I was spending time at was formed largely for apologetics and then had an area of chat for unorthodox Christians while other areas only permitted discussions of Christianity and theology within the orthodox views. That is sort of helpful for newer Christians who did not need to be cluttered with controversies. Alas though, the site is mainly discussing political stuff.
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Yes we didn’t want to show favoritism and have any biased segregation for various beliefs. Much like in real life having a discussion with anyone from an atheist , agnostic , non Christian religionist. We should be able to give an answer to the hope that is with us is to those who ask with gentleness and patience. 1 Pet 3:15. When we look at Paul in Acts he defended the faith with atheists , pagans , idol worshipers , religious legalists etc …. And we need to be good Bereans who search the scriptures to see if what people are saying/ teaching online is true.

Also in my experience online forums are not good for new believers and generally do not attack them. Most people in online forums are set in their ways/ doctrines.
 
civic said:
Yes we didn’t want to show favoritism and have any biased segregation for various beliefs. Much like in real life having a discussion with anyone from an atheist , agnostic , non Christian religionist. We should be able to give an answer to the hope that is with us is to those who ask with gentleness and patience. 1 Pet 3:15. When we look at Paul in Acts he defended the faith with atheists , pagans , idol worshipers , religious legalists etc …. And we need to be good Bereans who search the scriptures to see if what people are saying/ teaching online is true.

Also in my experience online forums are not good for new believers and generally do not attack them. Most people in online forums are set in their ways/ doctrines.
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sure. I think you are saying those forums do not "attract" new believers. ( I told a new believer in a forum that it was best not to get into the controversies until later.)
It even (sort of ) helps to be able to discuss the pros-and-cons of the Trinity. Of course, the problems of trying to discuss such issues can partly be that people do not know the intricacies of issues being resolved in the Trinitarian doctrine. A rejection of the Trinity is quite weak when simply stating that Jesus failed to say words for the English speaker like "I am divinity in the Godhead."
I was once thinking Paul's writings rejected the divinity of Christ (possibly while not having read Philippians recently enough). I ran into a guy at a scholarly conference who was going to try to promote that view (which is nigh impossible unless you have a scheduled talk). So, it is easy to fall into the non-Trinity concept when not bringing in all the details of scripture.
 
mikesw said:
sure. it even (sort of ) helps to be able to discuss the pros-and-cons of the Trinity. Of course, the problems of trying to discuss such issues can partly be that people do not know the intricacies of issues being resolved in the Trinitarian doctrine. A rejection of the Trinity is quite weak when simply stating that Jesus failed to say words for the English speaker like "I am divinity in the Godhead."
I was once thinking Paul's writings rejected the divinity of Christ (possibly while not having read Philippians recently enough). I ran into a guy at a scholarly conference who was going to try to promote that view (which is nigh impossible unless you have a scheduled talk). So, it is easy to fall into the non-Trinity concept when not bringing in all the details of scripture.
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The Unitarians hate it when I place the same proof/ evidence of them.

I ask quote where the Father says “ I am God”

And I get crickets 🦗:)

It’s a double standard at work
 
Bob Carabbio said:
Unless, of course you actually READ the scriptures, in which case it's there loud and clear. How it works, or what's it's scientifically clarified nature, we don't have, but what we DO HAVE is Father, SON, and Holy Spirit = ONE GOD.
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Works for me, I've never doubted it doctrine of the trinity for a second. Here's the facts:

The word "Trinity" does not appear in the Bible, but there are several verses that are used to support the doctrine of the Trinity1234. Here are some of them:
 
Peterlag said:
May I have the verse that says God is a man? I must have missed it If you already gave it.
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Sure, several just for starters. Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." One cannot have a IMAGE without a source. and that source was to come. supportive scripture. Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" in the end God is in Flesh, which MAN is his IMAGE in Flesh.

Isaiah 42:13 "The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies."

AND IN THAT IMAGE TO COME HE IS THE GLORIFIED MAN, OR THE "NEW MAN", called the "Lord", who is called Messiah.
John 13:13 "Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am." the Lord Jesus out of his own mouth said that he is GOD.
AGAIN, out of the Lord Jesus Mouth. John 2:18 "Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?" John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." John 2:20 "Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?" John 2:21 "But he spake of the temple of his body." HOLD IT acoording to the Scriptures, did not "GOD" raised up that Body of the Lord Jesus? well let's check the record. Acts 2:32 "This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses." REMEMBER, the apostle Peter was under the influence of the Holy Spirit. so, did Peter LIE by the Holy Spirit when he said, "This Jesus hath God raised up". now please tell us who LIE.... if at all, the Lord Jesus, or the Holy Spirit in Peter? your answer please.

Now did men say that Jesus who is God also say he is a MAN? let's cherck the record. Matthew 8:27 "But the men marvelled, saying, What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him!"

101G just gave you only a small sample of scripture testifying that God is a MAN.... "THAT WAS TO COME IN FLESH, BONE, with BLOOD. now resurrected in GLLORIFIED FLESH, and in this glorified flesh as a man, amalgamated with his OWN Spirit in the ECHAD he has with his OSWNSELF as Ordinal First/Father/Spirit. now, resurrected, the Ordinal Last/Son/Man. who is OVER HIS OWN HOUSE IN "FLESH" as a MAN, meaning the NEW MAN. man this is just too easy not to be understood.

there are many, and 101G say many verses in the OT as well as the NT that declare that God is a man,, BUT NOT A man LIKE YOU AND 101g THAT lie, (SMILE). THAT "man" WAS TO COME IN, "TIME", "PLACE", "ORDER", and "RANK", just as it states in Genesis 1:1.

101G.
 
mikesw said:
Imagine how horrible the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons feel about being on the outside of acceptable Christianity because they do no follow the creeds. If you have the grand proof that the trinitarian concept is not adequate, then get that written out and argued among the great theologians. The trinitarian doctrine is a mainly rejecting inconsistent concepts about God so people are not misled. That may not be satisfying to people who think God should be more obvious to their minds.
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What's a creed?
 

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