Why The Trinity is Wrong: Juxtaposition

[101G]

They are certainly NOT the same person. See Psalm 110:1

And? ..... same one person

101G

 

[101G]

@Wrangler,
Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
The word “Lord” here in verse #1. is, H113 אָדוֹן 'adown (aw-done') n-m.
אָדֹן 'adon (aw-done') [shortened]
1. sovereign (i.e. controller, human or divine).
2. lord.
{also used as a prefix for names}
[from an unused root (meaning to rule)]
KJV: lord, master, owner.

And this same “Lord” … who is at God’s Right in verse #5. is the Hebrew word, H136 אֲדֹנָי 'Adonay (ad-o-noy') n-m.
1. (meaning) Lord (used as a proper name of God only).
2. (person) Adonai, The Lord God of Israel (which is actually “Yahweh God of Israel” - see Exodus 5:1 and 120 other occurrences).
[am emphatic form of H113]
KJV: (my) Lord.
Root(s): H113

Now, have you ever consider the FACT why H136 אֲדֹנָי 'Adonay (ad-o-noy') is the emphatic form of H113 in verse #1? well you need to….. (smile).

and also Psalms 110:1 and 5 confirms John 5:18.................(smile).

101G.

 

[dwight92070]

Your thinking is not logical. To hold onto your IDOL, you have to violate at every turn:

1. Definition
2. Logic
3. Language Usage
4. Explicit Scripture.

No one ever said the Bible was Trump. But you cannot even answer simple questions which expose your IDOL for what it is.

Jesus said he has a God, who is the only true God. That’s good enough for me. Why is it not good enough for you?

Yes and the Father called the Son "God" - " He (God) says (to the firstborn, i.e. Jesus) ...Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, ... Therefore God, Your God, has anointed you ..." Hebrews 1:8-9 If the Father calls Him God, that's good enough for me. Why is that not good enough for you?
Also, you didn't quote the whole verse, just the part you thought proved your point:
John 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, AND Jesus Christ whom You have sent".
Eternal life is not just knowing the Father, but the Father AND the Son - they are a package deal. You can't have One without the other.
In John 5:20, John says the same thing: "And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. THIS IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE. LITTLE CHILDREN, GUARD YOURSELVES FROM IDOLS."
So being in the Father and in His Son Jesus Christ IS HAVING THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE. ANYTHING ELSE IS IDOLATRY.
If we are IN THE FATHER, BUT NOT IN THE SON, then we are committing idolatry.

Tell me Wrangler, in Revelation 5, which is a scene in heaven, when the four living creatures, the twenty-four elders, multiplied millions of angels, and every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, worship Him who sits on the throne (the Father) and the Lamb (the Son, Jesus) - Why is it that the Lamb Himself does not turn around and fall before the Father to worship Him?
EVERY OTHER CREATED BEING OR THING WORSHIPED THE FATHER. WHY NOT THE LAMB?

 

[101G]

To all,
the language, what is the difference between the Hebrew terms "LORD", and "Lord?" this will answer the trinity question, and also of the Father and the Son as the same one person.

101G.

 

[dwight92070]

That’s not what John 5:18 is saying. If a person claims something about Jesus that is NOT the narrative saying it. You must understand this.

According to your logic, Trump saying the election was stolen MEANS it was stolen, right?!

Right, if Trump is telling the truth. The same is true when the apostle John tells us that Jesus was making Himself equal with God. Since He was hand-picked by Jesus as an apostle and he wrote 5 New Testament books - Yes, I believe he was telling the truth of what he believed and observed - that Jesus was making Himself equal with God by calling God His own Father.

 

[synergy]

To all,
the language, what is the difference between the Hebrew terms "LORD", and "Lord?" this will answer the trinity question, and also of the Father and the Son as the same one person.

101G.

Who did the Son of God pray to when He was praying to God the Father? Hint: the answer is in my question.

 

[101G]

Who did the Son of God pray to when He was praying to God the Father? Hint: the answer is in my question.

he never pray to anyone, except in intercessory for someone else. he "PRAY" the Father..... NOT, "pray to" the Father. now go and find it in the KJV where he, the Lord Jesus "PRAY to" the Father for himself..... get this, there is a REVELATION in 101G/my answer... (smile)... YIKES!

101G.

 

[synergy]

Lets

he never pray to anyone, except in intercessory for someone else. he "PRAY" the Father..... NOT, "pray to" the Father. now go and find it in the KJV where he, the Lord Jesus "PRAY to" the Father for himself..... get this, there is a REVELATION in 101G/my answer... (smile)... YIKES!

101G.

Let's look at Luke 23:46. Who is Jesus praying to? Hint: the answer is in the quote.

"Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit” (Luke 23:46)

 

[101G]

Lets

Let's look at Luke 23:46. Who is Jesus praying to? Hint: the answer is in the quote.

"Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit” (Luke 23:46)

Luke 23:46 "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

let 101G get the HOLY BUZZER OUT FOR THIS ONE. is crying out praying? no, now go and look some MORE......

101G.

 

[synergy]

Luke 23:46 "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

let 101G get the HOLY BUZZER OUT FOR THIS ONE. is crying out praying? no, now go and look some MORE......

101G.

Prayers are not always confined to closed rooms or tranquil settings. Many soldiers have voiced their prayers right in the middle of battle. Your heresy has been exposed. Case closed.

 

[dwight92070]

Lets

Let's look at Luke 23:46. Who is Jesus praying to? Hint: the answer is in the quote.

"Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit” (Luke 23:46)

So He prayed to His Father. What's your point? The Trinity doctrine does say that the 3 persons in the Godhead are DISTINCT, and yet each is God. Although I align closely with the Trinity doctrine, my belief is a slight variation: In one sense, they are distinct, in another sense, they ARE EACH OTHER. For example Isaiah 9:6 The Son IS the Everlasting Father. The New Testament also says, "Now the Lord (could be the Father OR the Son) IS the Spirit."

 

[101G]

Prayers are not always confined to closed rooms or tranquil settings. Many soldiers prayed right in the middle of battle. Your heresy has been exposed. Case closed.

LOL, LOL, LOL, so this means you cannot find where the Lord Jesus PRAYED... "TO" .... the Father.... LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh dear

so, I guess according to YOU these was praying? Mark 15:13 "And they cried out again, Crucify him." LOL, LOl, LOL, Oh dear.. how silly can one be. some people just have to get off the sauce.

101G.

 

[synergy]

LOL, LOL, LOL, so this means you cannot find where the Lord Jesus PRAYED... "TO" .... the Father.... LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh dear

so, I guess according to YOU these was praying? Mark 15:13 "And they cried out again, Crucify him." LOL, LOl, LOL, Oh dear.. how silly can one be. some people just have to get off the sauce.

101G.

Where do you think the Father is? Is He in Heaven or on Earth?

 

[synergy]

So He prayed to His Father. What's your point?

My point is that 191G thinks that the Son and the Father are the same pperson.That is nonsensical by the fact that Jesus was praying to the Father.

The Trinity doctrine does say that the 3 persons in the Godhead are DISTINCT, and yet each is God. Although I align closely with the Trinity doctrine, my belief is a slight variation: In one sense, they are distinct, in another sense, they ARE EACH OTHER. For example Isaiah 9:6 The Son IS the Everlasting Father. The New Testament also says, "Now the Lord (could be the Father OR the Son) IS the Spirit."

Well, it is my belief that the Word of God is Jesus.

 

[dwight92070]

My point is that 191G thinks that the Son and the Father are the same pperson.That is nonsensical by the fact that Jesus was praying to the Father.

Well, it is my belief that the Word of God is Jesus.

Before He was born as a baby, I agree with you, He was the Word of God, which John said WAS GOD.

 

[dwight92070]

Wrangler still doesn't have an answer as to why the Lamb in Revelation 5 doesn't fall down and worship the Father? ALL of creations does, but NOT THE LAMB, which is Jesus.
But ALL OF CREATION FALLS DOWN AND WORSHIPS THE FATHER AND THE LAMB!! If Jesus is not God, then how could this be?

 

[synergy]

LOL, LOL, LOL, so this means you cannot find where the Lord Jesus PRAYED... "TO" .... the Father.... LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh dear

so, I guess according to YOU these was praying? Mark 15:13 "And they cried out again, Crucify him." LOL, LOl, LOL, Oh dear.. how silly can one be. some people just have to get off the sauce.

101G.

Even if Jesus was talking to the Father that still means that they are 2 separate people.

 

[Wrangler]

Yes and the Father called the Son "God"

No, he did not. The Father said over and over again that he is the only God.

You are quoting from Hebrews, which is quoting from Psalms written by and about David.

 

[Wrangler]

Wrangler still doesn't have an answer as to why the Lamb in Revelation 5 doesn't fall down and worship the Father?

This is another attempt at a back door rationalization, an Appeal to Ignorance. X did not happen, which proves Y.

There are many chapters of the people were peple did not fall down and worship the Father. That does not make all those people God.

 

[Wrangler]

Yes and the Father called the Son "God" - " He (God) says (to the firstborn, i.e. Jesus) ...Your throne, O God, is forever and eve

Trintiarians bady misinterpret this verse. The throne of David is called the throne of God. O God means the throne of God. It means this no matter who sits on God's throne. It does not mean that who ever sits on the throne is God.