Why The Trinity is Wrong: Juxtaposition

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Wrangler said:
If anything can be said to be practically the case throughout the Bible, the NT anyway, is how Biblical authors juxtapose "God" from "Jesus." The ubiquitous juxtaposing of "God" from "Jesus" is probably the best evidence that the trinity is wrong. Let's start with definition.

juxtapose​

verb​

jux·ta·pose ˈjək-stə-ˌpōz

juxtaposed; juxtaposing
Synonyms of juxtapose
transitive verb
: to place (different things) side by side (as to compare them or contrast them

Let's take the famous John 3:16. For God so loved the world, that he (singular) gave his (singular) only begotten Son. Missing is "the Father" that trinitarians like to rely on to prop uo their false IDOL.

  1. Who loved the world?
  2. Who gave?
God, "in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature."

Whenever the word "God" is in Scripture, one ought to think for emphasis, "God in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature." In another thread, a poster avoided the verse that stated who gave Jesus his authority. HINT: It was not "the Father" but God, "in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature."

Consider Acts 2:36 God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”
  1. Who made Jesus Lord?
  2. Who made Jesus Christ?

God, "in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature."


Consider 1 Cor 11:3 But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife[a] is her husband,[b] and the head of Christ is God. Notice how "the Father" is not the head of Christ?

  1. Who is the head of Christ?
God, "in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature."


Consider Rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him.
  1. Who gave Jesus the revelation?
God, "in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature."


Again, such juxtaposition is ubiquitous. It is actually the exception that "the Father" is juxtaposed with Jesus. Only an obtuse trinitarian could dismiss how "the Father" is uniquely defined as synonymous with God, "in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature." Normally, the juxtaposition is between Jesus and
God, "in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature" and there are so many more examples. A condition of salvation. Romans 10:9 if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

  1. Who raised Jesus from the dead, which you must believe to be saved?
God, "in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature."

No such juxtaposing verses would exist IF Jesus were God.
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Whenever the word "Jesus" comes up in scripture, one ought to think for emphasis, "Jesus, who made Himself equal with God." John 5:18

At least I give a scripture to back up why I say that - I notice you did not do that to back up "God in HIs wholeness, in His unitarian nature."
 
dwight92070 said:
Whenever the word "Jesus" comes up in scripture, one ought to think for emphasis, "Jesus, who made Himself equal with God." John 5:18

At least I give a scripture to back up why I say that - I notice you did not do that to back up "God in HIs wholeness, in His unitarian nature."
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At least my phrase is Biblical - your's is not.
 
Wrangler said:
If anything can be said to be practically the case throughout the Bible, the NT anyway, is how Biblical authors juxtapose "God" from "Jesus." The ubiquitous juxtaposing of "God" from "Jesus" is probably the best evidence that the trinity is wrong. Let's start with definition.

juxtapose​

verb​

jux·ta·pose ˈjək-stə-ˌpōz

juxtaposed; juxtaposing
Synonyms of juxtapose
transitive verb
: to place (different things) side by side (as to compare them or contrast them

Let's take the famous John 3:16. For God so loved the world, that he (singular) gave his (singular) only begotten Son. Missing is "the Father" that trinitarians like to rely on to prop uo their false IDOL.

  1. Who loved the world?
  2. Who gave?
God, "in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature."

Whenever the word "God" is in Scripture, one ought to think for emphasis, "God in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature." In another thread, a poster avoided the verse that stated who gave Jesus his authority. HINT: It was not "the Father" but God, "in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature."

Consider Acts 2:36 God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”
  1. Who made Jesus Lord?
  2. Who made Jesus Christ?

God, "in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature."


Consider 1 Cor 11:3 But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife[a] is her husband,[b] and the head of Christ is God. Notice how "the Father" is not the head of Christ?

  1. Who is the head of Christ?
God, "in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature."


Consider Rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him.
  1. Who gave Jesus the revelation?
God, "in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature."


Again, such juxtaposition is ubiquitous. It is actually the exception that "the Father" is juxtaposed with Jesus. Only an obtuse trinitarian could dismiss how "the Father" is uniquely defined as synonymous with God, "in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature." Normally, the juxtaposition is between Jesus and
God, "in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature" and there are so many more examples. A condition of salvation. Romans 10:9 if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

  1. Who raised Jesus from the dead, which you must believe to be saved?
God, "in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature."

No such juxtaposing verses would exist IF Jesus were God.
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You can say that phrase til you're blue in the face - that doesn't make it right.
 
101G said:
so what was Emptied? "POWER". for the Lord Jesus after his resurrection was GIVEN ALL POWER, now if he had all power, my Question how much of that POWER was EMIPED for him to HUMPLE HIMSELF? remember he's co-equal, so how much power was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') for him while in flesh?

can either one of you answer that?
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Here is my view brother:


What most will say is, he emptied himself of his "divine privileges."

That term can be a bit nebulous.
 
Fred said:
Jesus being the Son of God (Revelation 2:18) fully knows the hearts of all (Revelation 2:23).

God alone has this knowledge (1 Kings 8:39).

Thus, the Son of God in reference to Jesus proves He is God.
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Another sad attempt to back door rationalize a doctrine contrary to Scripture. God raised Jesus from the dead. True?

God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ. Acts 2:36. True?

God is the head of Christ. 1 Cor 11:3. True?

Jesus was God’s servant. True?

Jesus sits on God’s right hand. True?

Jesus has a God who is the only true God. True?
 
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dwight92070 said:
Jesus, who made Himself equal with God." John 5:18
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Except this is not what Jesus said. What Jesus said in John 8:54 “If I honored myself, it would mean nothing.

You are directly contradicting Jesus, in claiming he is honoring himself in the highest way possible.
 
Wrangler said:
Except this is not what Jesus said. What Jesus said in John 8:54 “If I honored myself, it would mean nothing.

You are directly contradicting Jesus, in claiming he is honoring himself in the highest way possible.
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Actually it was the APOSTLE JOHN who said that Jesus was making Himself equal with God. John 5:18
I never said Jesus said that. You don't accept what the apostle John says? That's your false attack.
By the way, your little phrase is NOT what God says about Himself, is it? That's what you say about Him, but no scripture says that, does it? If it did, you should quote it - but you haven't.
 
Wrangler said:
Look for ‘son’
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I did that and this is what I got:

(Dan 7:13) I saw in the night visions, and behold, One like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him.
(Dan 7:14) And dominion and glory was given Him, and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations and languages, should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion which shall not pass away, and His kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

I don't see any reference to Jesus being created in those verses. Do you? Another massive failure on your part.

What I do see is the Theophanic Son of Man, who existed in the "Ancient of Days" and has dominion over everyone and everything. And Jesus referred to himself as the Son of Man multiple times. If you end up being flippant about the Daniel 7 Son of Man then that would mean that must have several congregants who claim the exact same thing about themselves.
 
Wrangler said:
Another sad attempt to back door rationalize a doctrine contrary to Scripture. God raised Jesus from the dead. True?

God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ. Acts 2:36. True?

God is the head of Christ. 1 Cor 11:3. True?

Jesus was God’s servant. True?

Jesus sits on God’s right hand. True?

Jesus has a God who is the only true God. True?
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Total dodge on Revelation 2:18, 23.
Typical.
 
I guess you forgot that Isaiah called Jesus "The Mighty God, Everlasting Father", Matthew called Him "God with us", John called Him the Word which was God, which became flesh and dwelled among us, John also said that Jesus made Himself equal with God, Paul said that Jesus thought it not robbery to be equal with God, Thomas called Him "My Lord and my God" and received no rebuke or correction from Jesus, Peter called Him "our God and Savior, Jesus Christ, Paul called Him "our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, again Jesus Himself showed John a vision of heaven, where the Lamb, which is Jesus, receives equal praise and worship as the Father, Jesus Himself said, "There in only One who is good - God" yet He called Himself The Good Shepherd, when the one leper out of ten was healed, he returned, fell on his face at Jesus' feet, thanking Him and worshiping Him, Jesus replied, "Were there not ten cleansed ... Was no one found to give glory TO GOD, except this foreigner?" - all the while the leper is giving glory to Jesus." Jesus also said, "Before Abraham was, I AM"
One would think that all of this would be sufficient evidence that Jesus is God, but some are more committed to their pet doctrines than they are to the word of God. In fact, it's entirely possible that their pet doctrine IS their God, not Jesus.
 
dwight92070 said:
Actually it was the APOSTLE JOHN who said that Jesus was making Himself equal with God. John 5:18
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That’s not what John 5:18 is saying. If a person claims something about Jesus that is NOT the narrative saying it. You must understand this.

According to your logic, Trump saying the election was stolen MEANS it was stolen, right?!
 
Wrangler said:
That’s not what John 5:18 is saying. If a person claims something about Jesus that is NOT the narrative saying it. You must understand this.

According to your logic, Trump saying the election was stolen MEANS it was stolen, right?!
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the bible is not trump. the bible is God's Holy Word. John is speaking in God name, did God correct anything he said. those men or women sent by God speak on God's behalf. and John was sent , let's see. John 1:6 "There was a man sent from God, whose name was John."

now if John 5:18 is not equating the Son as God, then tell us what it means then?

101G.
 
to all,
let's compare the Lord Jesus post resurrection to LORD God OT, who is the same one person

Scripture #1. the Lord Jesus, NT. Revelation 2:23 "And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works."

Scripture #2. the LORD Jesus, OT. Jeremiah 17:10 "I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings."

is this not the same PERSON.

101G.
 
101G said:
the bible is not trump.
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Your thinking is not logical. To hold onto your IDOL, you have to violate at every turn:
  1. Definition
  2. Logic
  3. Language Usage
  4. Explicit Scripture.
No one ever said the Bible was Trump. But you cannot even answer simple questions which expose your IDOL for what it is.

Jesus said he has a God, who is the only true God. That’s good enough for me. Why is it not good enough for you?
 

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