Why All Is Not Ordained

[TomL]

Of course it's your faith once it is gifted to you. Where does your faith come from?

Acts 16:30–31 (ESV) — 30 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”


it's a response of man to the word of God

This author states it well

saving faith is more than mere intellectual persuasion or convincement of truth. It requires a “decision,” a positive commitment, a willful entrusting of one’s circumstances and destiny into the hands of God in Christ. That is the act of the person, not of God, and that is the reason the Scriptures unanimously represent the person as responsible for faith or unbelief.



Picirilli, Robert. Grace Faith Free Will: Contrasting Views of Salvation: Calvinism & Arminianism (p. 167). Ingram Distribution. Kindle Edition.

 

[Presby02]

Did you not know Calvinism has systematized their theology?

from hearing

Rom 10:17

No, i had no idea. Good thing your here.

So it's from outside of themselves the then.

 

[Presby02]

Acts 16:30–31 (ESV) — 30 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”


it's a response of man to the word of God

This author states it well

saving faith is more than mere intellectual persuasion or convincement of truth. It requires a “decision,” a positive commitment, a willful entrusting of one’s circumstances and destiny into the hands of God in Christ. That is the act of the person, not of God, and that is the reason the Scriptures unanimously represent the person as responsible for faith or unbelief.



Picirilli, Robert. Grace Faith Free Will: Contrasting Views of Salvation: Calvinism & Arminianism (p. 167). Ingram Distribution. Kindle Edition.

Great. Belief is granted by God.

Still not address where exactly your faith comes from.

 

[Presby02]

I think I have a better way than that.

Any day now then.

 

[TomL]

Great. Belief is granted by God.

Still not address where exactly your faith comes from.

What part of it is a response of man was not understandable?

Grant does not mean to infuse or effectually cause

Permit, allow, enable however is



if faith is a gift from God, how could demonic activity restrict the faith of some (Luke 8:12; 2 Cor 4:4)? Why is it harder for some people to believe than others (cf. Titus 1:12-13)? Why was Jesus sometimes amazed at people’s lack of faith (Matt 8:26; 14:31; 16:8)?
Why did god praise great faith (Matt 8:10 Luke 7:9)?

None of these questions have good answers if faith is a gift of God.

 

[TomL]

No, i had no idea. Good thing your here.

So it's from outside of themselves the then.

Man response to the word of God

 

[Presby02]

What part of it is a response of man was not understandable?

Grant does not mean to infuse or effectually cause

Permit, allow, enable however is



if faith is a gift from God, how could demonic activity restrict the faith of some (Luke 8:12; 2 Cor 4:4)? Why is it harder for some people to believe than others (cf. Titus 1:12-13)? Why was Jesus sometimes amazed at people’s lack of faith (Matt 8:26; 14:31; 16:8)?
Why did god praise great faith (Matt 8:10 Luke 7:9)?

None of these questions have good answers if faith is a gift of God.

Grant also means to give such as I grant you permission.

No one said grant means infuse or enable. That's called a strawman. It does however mean to give which would answer where it comes from.

A response of man does not answer where it comes from. It comes by hearing does not answer the question either unless your going to say your ears cause faith.

 

[Presby02]

Man response to the word of God

This is simply not a answer. "faith comes by hearing", comes from where?

 

[TomL]

This is simply not a answer. "faith comes by hearing", comes from where?

Sorry it is an answer. You just do not want to accept it

saving faith is more than mere intellectual persuasion or convincement of truth. It requires a “decision,” a positive commitment, a willful entrusting of one’s circumstances and destiny into the hands of God in Christ. That is the act of the person, not of God, and that is the reason the Scriptures unanimously represent the person as responsible for faith or unbelief.



Picirilli, Robert. Grace Faith Free Will: Contrasting Views of Salvation: Calvinism & Arminianism (p. 167). Ingram Distribution. Kindle Edition.

 

[TomL]

Grant also means to give such as I grant you permission.

No one said grant means infuse or enable. That's called a strawman. It does however mean to give which would answer where it comes from.

A response of man does not answer where it comes from. It comes by hearing does not answer the question either unless your going to say your ears cause faith.

Give in the sense of permitting or enabling, not in the sense of unilaterally causing, or infusing

God gave man the ability for faith and man exercises faith every day as he puts his faith in many different things

PS infuse accurately describes the calvinist view how faith is given

Faith: Is it a gift infused, a gift received, or a decision to believe?​

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves;
it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 (NKJ)

There are several views of the role of faith in Ephesians Chapter 2 verses 8-9. It might be helpful to examine briefly these views. These two verses are acknowledged to be scripture by those who accept the New Testament. The different concepts of the role of faith come from trying to understand what these two verses mean. There are, at least, three basic views regarding the role of faith in these two verses.

In brief, the views are as follows.

1. Faith as an infused gift of God. Faith is believed to be infused into the person who is dead-like. While dead, they become gifted with saving faith. In this sense, faith is an infused gift from God. This view holds that no one is saved unless God imparted the gift of faith into them.

2. Faith as a received gift of God. The gift of faith is welcomed and received by a lost sinner who feels his or her deep need of salvation. With this gift of faith, he or she believes the gospel. This view emphasizes the acceptance of the "gift" of faith by the sinner. The sinner willingly and knowingly receives the gift of faith and has believing faith. In this sense, the sinner willingly, knowingly, and actively receives the gift of faith.

3. Faith as a personal decision to believe the gospel. This view holds that the gift of God does not refer to the word, faith; rather it refers to the whole plan of salvation. This view teaches that the whole "by grace you are saved through faith" plan of salvation is the gift of God. For Israel in the Old Testament, the plan was "by the law you are blessed through obedience." The OT involved the "keeping the law." The New Testament involves "faith in Christ." The OT was a system of "works." The NT is based upon "grace."

1. Infused Faith.

Probably the most popular view is that faith is infused into a sinner. Since the human population is held to be incapable of believing the gospel message, it is necessary for God to impart living faith into the dead and unresponsive sinner. After the Holy Spirit has imparted faith into the sinner, the person is able to accept the gospel of salvation.

This view emphasizes the sovereignty of God in saving souls. Whoever God sovereignly chooses to impart life and faith, comes to faith.

Popular among Roman Catholics and Calvinists

 

[TomL]

Grant also means to give such as I grant you permission.

No one said grant means infuse or enable. That's called a strawman. It does however mean to give which would answer where it comes from.

A response of man does not answer where it comes from. It comes by hearing does not answer the question either unless your going to say your ears cause faith.

It would be a strawman if Calvinists did not believe God installs faith in man

but they do believe that

Infuse - instill (a quality) in someone or something:

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

It would be a strawman if Calvinists did not believe God installs faith in man

but they do believe that

Infuse - instill (a quality) in someone or something:

I can't speak for Calvinists, but I don't believe God instills faith in man. God changes us so that we can see the truth, which naturally results in belief/faith.

 

[TomL]

I can't speak for Calvinists, but I don't believe God instills faith in man. God changes us so that we can see the truth, which naturally results in belief/faith.

Well your problem is faith precedes regeneration

John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

John 5:24–25 (KJV 1900) — 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 5:40 (KJV 1900) — 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

John 6:53 (KJV 1900) — 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

John 3:36 (KJV 1900) — 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

 

[Presby02]

It would be a strawman if Calvinists did not believe God installs faith in man

but they do believe that

Infuse - instill (a quality) in someone or something:

Still a strawman. No one says it's installed or infused.

 

[Presby02]

Give in the sense of permitting or enabling, not in the sense of unilaterally causing, or infusing

God gave man the ability for faith and man exercises faith every day as he puts his faith in many different things

PS infuse accurately describes the calvinist view how faith is given

Faith: Is it a gift infused, a gift received, or a decision to believe?​

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves;
it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 (NKJ)

There are several views of the role of faith in Ephesians Chapter 2 verses 8-9. It might be helpful to examine briefly these views. These two verses are acknowledged to be scripture by those who accept the New Testament. The different concepts of the role of faith come from trying to understand what these two verses mean. There are, at least, three basic views regarding the role of faith in these two verses.

In brief, the views are as follows.

1. Faith as an infused gift of God. Faith is believed to be infused into the person who is dead-like. While dead, they become gifted with saving faith. In this sense, faith is an infused gift from God. This view holds that no one is saved unless God imparted the gift of faith into them.

2. Faith as a received gift of God. The gift of faith is welcomed and received by a lost sinner who feels his or her deep need of salvation. With this gift of faith, he or she believes the gospel. This view emphasizes the acceptance of the "gift" of faith by the sinner. The sinner willingly and knowingly receives the gift of faith and has believing faith. In this sense, the sinner willingly, knowingly, and actively receives the gift of faith.

3. Faith as a personal decision to believe the gospel. This view holds that the gift of God does not refer to the word, faith; rather it refers to the whole plan of salvation. This view teaches that the whole "by grace you are saved through faith" plan of salvation is the gift of God. For Israel in the Old Testament, the plan was "by the law you are blessed through obedience." The OT involved the "keeping the law." The New Testament involves "faith in Christ." The OT was a system of "works." The NT is based upon "grace."

1. Infused Faith.

Probably the most popular view is that faith is infused into a sinner. Since the human population is held to be incapable of believing the gospel message, it is necessary for God to impart living faith into the dead and unresponsive sinner. After the Holy Spirit has imparted faith into the sinner, the person is able to accept the gospel of salvation.

This view emphasizes the sovereignty of God in saving souls. Whoever God sovereignly chooses to impart life and faith, comes to faith.

Popular among Roman Catholics and Calvinists

Grant means to give such as I grant you permission.

The rest of your post is simply irrelevant.

 

[Presby02]

Sorry it is an answer. You just do not want to accept it

saving faith is more than mere intellectual persuasion or convincement of truth. It requires a “decision,” a positive commitment, a willful entrusting of one’s circumstances and destiny into the hands of God in Christ. That is the act of the person, not of God, and that is the reason the Scriptures unanimously represent the person as responsible for faith or unbelief.



Picirilli, Robert. Grace Faith Free Will: Contrasting Views of Salvation: Calvinism & Arminianism (p. 167). Ingram Distribution. Kindle Edition.

It's not a answer and you simply refuse to answer.

And try to distract with another worthless cut and paste. It does not address the question either.

 

[Presby02]

Man response to the word of God

What about it? LOL Your all over the place.

 

[TomL]

What about it? LOL Your all over the place.

You are speaking nonsense

I mentioned only man's response to the word of God

 

[TomL]

It's not a answer and you simply refuse to answer.

And try to distract with another worthless cut and paste. It does not address the question either.

Sorry rather you just refuse to accept faith comes from man's ability given to man in creation

 

[TomL]

Grant means to give such as I grant you permission.

The rest of your post is simply irrelevant.

You are in denial

Give in the sense of permitting or enabling, not in the sense of unilaterally causing, or infusing

God gave man the ability for faith and man exercises faith every day as he puts his faith in many different things

PS infuse accurately describes the calvinist view how faith is given

Faith: Is it a gift infused, a gift received, or a decision to believe?

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves;
it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 (NKJ)

There are several views of the role of faith in Ephesians Chapter 2 verses 8-9. It might be helpful to examine briefly these views. These two verses are acknowledged to be scripture by those who accept the New Testament. The different concepts of the role of faith come from trying to understand what these two verses mean. There are, at least, three basic views regarding the role of faith in these two verses.

In brief, the views are as follows.

1. Faith as an infused gift of God. Faith is believed to be infused into the person who is dead-like. While dead, they become gifted with saving faith. In this sense, faith is an infused gift from God. This view holds that no one is saved unless God imparted the gift of faith into them.

2. Faith as a received gift of God. The gift of faith is welcomed and received by a lost sinner who feels his or her deep need of salvation. With this gift of faith, he or she believes the gospel. This view emphasizes the acceptance of the "gift" of faith by the sinner. The sinner willingly and knowingly receives the gift of faith and has believing faith. In this sense, the sinner willingly, knowingly, and actively receives the gift of faith.

3. Faith as a personal decision to believe the gospel. This view holds that the gift of God does not refer to the word, faith; rather it refers to the whole plan of salvation. This view teaches that the whole "by grace you are saved through faith" plan of salvation is the gift of God. For Israel in the Old Testament, the plan was "by the law you are blessed through obedience." The OT involved the "keeping the law." The New Testament involves "faith in Christ." The OT was a system of "works." The NT is based upon "grace."

1. Infused Faith.

Probably the most popular view is that faith is infused into a sinner. Since the human population is held to be incapable of believing the gospel message, it is necessary for God to impart living faith into the dead and unresponsive sinner. After the Holy Spirit has imparted faith into the sinner, the person is able to accept the gospel of salvation.

This view emphasizes the sovereignty of God in saving souls. Whoever God sovereignly chooses to impart life and faith, comes to faith.

Popular among Roman Catholics and Calvinists
Dort

The Canons of Dort​

ARTICLE 14

Faith is therefore to be considered as the gift of God, not on account of its being offered by God to man, to be accepted or rejected at his pleasure, but because it is in reality conferred upon him, breathed and infused into him; nor even because God bestows the power or ability to believe, and then expects that man should by the exercise of his own free will consent to the terms of salvation and actually believe in Christ, but because He who works in man both to will and to work, and indeed all things in all, produces both the will to believe and the act of believing also.