In my example. Are you really that desperate?
Belief is granted or given by God. Nothing about permission in the text. That's presupposed by, another, by the aprovisionist.
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Belief is granted or given by God. Nothing about permission in the text. That's presupposed by, another, by the aprovisionist.
And according to your own word you have rejected it
now back to give
Are you now arguing god directly gives faith?
That's what you do with a gift right? Don't you give it to someone? Or do you grant them permission to accept it?
You contradict yourself and that makes me desparate?
Um that seems rather backwards
Now again regarding given
You are affirming God directly gives faith?
or are you repudiating your previous interpretation of Eph 2:8?
Which is it?
Is that your affirmation God directly unilaterally gives faith consistent with your interpretation of Eph 2:8?
Already answered. God gives belief as He does repentance
Yes, He directly gives faith as you do with gifts.
Keep trying
No it's not nor is it necessarily infused.
Rockson
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So this Calvinist here needs to stop saying or suggesting that they believe man does have a will or an ability to choose anything. Everything is imposed upon the one they call the elect without ANY real choice as whether they want this new life in Christ.
He'll cause them to without their having a choice?? Makes one wonder why it is that they commit sin even after they've become Christians then. I mean if God causes means forced then they'd be walking never sinning again.
Your beef is with the Bible not I. Read Ezekiel 36:27 and 28
Yeah it is
Faith: Is it a gift infused, a gift received, or a decision to believe?
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves;
it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 (NKJ)
There are several views of the role of faith in Ephesians Chapter 2 verses 8-9. It might be helpful to examine briefly these views. These two verses are acknowledged to be scripture by those who accept the New Testament. The different concepts of the role of faith come from trying to understand what these two verses mean. There are, at least, three basic views regarding the role of faith in these two verses.
In brief, the views are as follows.
1. Faith as an infused gift of God. Faith is believed to be infused into the person who is dead-like. While dead, they become gifted with saving faith. In this sense, faith is an infused gift from God. This view holds that no one is saved unless God imparted the gift of faith into them.
2. Faith as a received gift of God. The gift of faith is welcomed and received by a lost sinner who feels his or her deep need of salvation. With this gift of faith, he or she believes the gospel. This view emphasizes the acceptance of the "gift" of faith by the sinner. The sinner willingly and knowingly receives the gift of faith and has believing faith. In this sense, the sinner willingly, knowingly, and actively receives the gift of faith.
3. Faith as a personal decision to believe the gospel. This view holds that the gift of God does not refer to the word, faith; rather it refers to the whole plan of salvation. This view teaches that the whole "by grace you are saved through faith" plan of salvation is the gift of God. For Israel in the Old Testament, the plan was "by the law you are blessed through obedience." The OT involved the "keeping the law." The New Testament involves "faith in Christ." The OT was a system of "works." The NT is based upon "grace."
1. Infused Faith.
Probably the most popular view is that faith is infused into a sinner. Since the human population is held to be incapable of believing the gospel message, it is necessary for God to impart living faith into the dead and unresponsive sinner. After the Holy Spirit has imparted faith into the sinner, the person is able to accept the gospel of salvation.
This view emphasizes the sovereignty of God in saving souls. Whoever God sovereignly chooses to impart life and faith, comes to faith.
2. Faith is a gift.
It is easy to see why this view would be thought to be the case. A straight forward reading of the passage would lead one to believe that faith was itself the gift. Granting that faith is a gift, a gift still has to be received by the one to whom it is offered. So, even this second view requires acceptance of the gift and belief in the Savior by the lost sinner. In effect, it is similar to the third view. It holds that the sinner has some form of real faith in the value of the offer of the gospel.
3. The gift is not faith but the entire plan of salvation.
To understand this view, one needs to understand that some languages have nouns with gender. For example, nouns in Spanish have masculine, feminine or neuter genders. The words, faith and grace are both feminine in Greek while the word, "that" is neuter. So, the sentence reads as follows.
"For by grace (feminine) you have been saved through faith (feminine), and that (neuter).
Some Greek scholars note that "that (neuter)" must refer to the whole phrase. They argue that if "that (neuter)" referred to "faith (feminine)," the word "that" should be feminine and not neuter.
"that" neuter in Greek is "touto, τοῦτο."
"that" feminine in Greek is "taute, ταύτῃ."
Consequently, the phrase may be read as follows.
("For by grace are you saved through faith") that ... is the gift of God. It is not the OT system of laws. It is not ours personal merit or our good deeds. The gift of God is the plan of salvation that is offered in free grace to all sinners who come in faith to the Savior.
This view thinks that God's sovereignty is shown in the words "by grace" and that human responsibility is shown in the words "through faith." God offers salvation as a gift freely to all. There is just one condition for the gift of salvation. The gift of salvation must be accepted in faith. The free offer of salvation is to all races, nations, tribes, peoples, and languages. It is for wicked sinners, polite sinners, socialites, religious devotees, stoned drug addicts, and social outcasts.
However, there is the one condition on the part of the sinner, "faith." The sinner must "believe" the gospel of the grace of God. This faith is apart from works. It is a non-meritorious faith, but it is an absolutely necessity. Salvation is offered freely, but the sinner must be received the offer by faith.
This last view holds that God works through the Holy Spirit who convicts, compels, and convinces the sinner of his or her need of salvation. However, the Holy Spirit does not force a sinner to accept the gracious offer of salvation. The sinner may choose to resist the Holy Spirit's gracious invitation. Furthermore, this view holds that the sinner must really believe the gospel. God cannot believe for us. We must believe, or we will be eternally damned. In this view, human beings have the responsibility (responsibility, i.e., the ability to respond) to accept the gospel message.
This view believes that God's sovereignty and human responsibility meet in the phrase "for by grace are you saved through faith." Since there is free grace on God's part, and, if there is real faith on the sinner's part, eternal salvation will be the outcome for the sinner.
Have you yourself accepted God's gracious offer of salvation?
Faith: Is it a gift infused, a gift received, or the decision to believe? | Christian Treasury
in·fuse
(ĭn-fyo͞oz′)tr.v. in·fused, in·fus·ing, in·fus·es
1. To put into or introduce as if by pouring:
in·fuse
instill (a quality) in someone or something:
Article 14 Canons of Dort states, “Faith is a gift of God, not in the sense that it is offered by God for man to choose, but that it is in actual fact bestowed on man, breathed and infused into him. Nor is it a gift in the sense that God bestows only the potential to believe, but then awaits assent—the act of believing—from man’s choice; rather, it is a gift in the sense that he who works both willing and acting and, indeed, works all things in all people produces in man both the will to believe and the belief itself.”
Its hard kicking against the goads
Nothing in that passage states God determines all of man's desires, thoughts and deeds
No it's not. You simply are presuming that if it's a gift it's infused. If you recieve a gift at Christmas is it infused into you??
It does say He causes. Nobody brought up determined. Category error as you like to whine
I'm not concentrating on the Shadows of things to Come that God created so that His People are prepared for them when they come. But I don't reject the God who created them, or call them "Rudiments of this world", or Beggarly Elements or traditions of men like you and Copeland and "Many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord do. Therefore, like Jesus and the early Church of God under the Changed Priesthood, I let no one like you or others who have "Transformed Themselves" into Apostles of Christ, pass Judgments on me for denying myself and following the Christ's and His Father, the One True God's Instruction regarding them.
I addressed the verse it's just that your master's will not let you discuss what is written, or the Scriptures I post that you cannot use to justify a Faithless religion. A Prophesy is a declaration of something that has not yet happened. God's Feasts are "Shadows" of these very Holy and Important coming events.
You call them "mere" because you don't Glorify God "as God". And you preach to others that His Words and man's words are no different. Jesus knew you were coming, and he knew you would preach that God's Statutes are "mere" traditions of men and not worthy of respect or honor.
He told me, as His Father also Inspired, "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."
I posted His Words that He used, the "Sword of the Lord", as a weapon to resist the wiles of the devil, and you ignored them as if they didn't even exist. And I have tried to persuade you to consider ALL that is written as opposed to cherry picking God's Word to justify the one manmade religious philosophy that you have adopted, of the "many" which exist that the Jesus of the Bible warned about. But Jesus said you will not be persuaded.
Luke 16: 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Your new age, progressive translation is a popular one for this world's religious businesses and sects no doubt. But even this new age biased translation understands the difference between God's Word and the teaching and doctrine of men.
The Pharisees were not promoting God's Word. They were promoting for doctrines the teaching of men that they falsely promoted were God's Word. I posted Jesus', that is, the Jesus "of the Bible's" OWN WORDS which clearly identify the difference between God's Feasts, and the traditions of men the Pharisees were pushing on the Galatians.
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. (Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” according to human precepts and teachings.
When Paul teaches; 2 Cor. 6: 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
He is not speaking to the doctrines and teachings of men is he?
I am not writing this for you, because you have made it clear, your mission isn't to seek for God's Truth, you mission is to preserve and promote the teaching of Clark and other men who have "Transformed themselves into Apostles of Christ". But for others reading along, can you not see that there is a difference between God's Inspired word, and the words of religious men?
God's Feasts are not Pagan. You preach that they are. That God is no different than Mithra or Baal, or that God's Word is no different than the words of man. Jesus said you were coming.
So then, Mark 7 is a lie and Paul was Inspired by a different god? Can you even see how ridiculous this statement is. Are you really preaching that the Pharisees in Col. 2 were different than the Pharisees in Mark 7?
For those reading along, this is why Jesus and Paul said to separate yourselves from this world's religions. "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
None. Christmas, Easter egg hunts, St. Patrick's day, Halloween etc. These Pagan high days are a Shadow of Nothing to Come. But the "LAW" concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices for sin, was a Shadow of the Christ which has been fulfilled. Passover is the "Beginning" of God's Salvation, not the end. Paul said "Let us keep the Feast" of Unleavened bread as it IS the journey of a true Christian. Jesus has yet to come back. The dead have yet to be raised and judged. Abraham David and Peter have yet to be raised and put on Immortality,
So there are no Pagan, manmade feasts and high days that are a shadow of things to Come. But Pentecost is a shadow of things yet to come, Feast of Tabernacles, Atonement etc., they are all "shadows of things to come", shadows of things the Christ has yet to fulfill.
You don't understand any of these things because you are "Learned of Clark" and not learned of the Father. Paul explains this in his other words that you must also ignore.
2 cor. 3: 14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16 Nevertheless when it (the heart) shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
Given it is clear you despise God, you don't believe anything HE says, you call HIS Feasts Pagan and manmade traditions and Beggarly Elements of this world, you have been blinded just as the Phgarisees were blinded for teaching lies about God. Nevertheless when your heart shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
This is why Paul teaches both Jew and Gentile to "Repent, Turn to God (of the Bible) and bring forth works worthy of repentance."
What Law was a Temporary measure? You read the text.
What Law was "ADDED" 430 years after God said "that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws"?
What was Transgressed that prompted God first to wipe them all out, but then show them mercy by ADDING Law "concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices for sin"?
Can you not see the wickedness in preaching that Jesus came to destroy the Law and Prophets? Can you see the deception in preaching that when Jesus came, "Love the Lord your God with all your soul, and Love you neighbor as yourself" became old and obsolete?
Of course you cannot see, because your heart is not turned to the Lord. But for others reading along, What temporary LAW was added to God's Laws, commandments, Statutes and Judgments Abraham was given and obeyed? Loving your brother, as is shown in the story of Cain and Able? Or was the Temporary Law that was Added, till the Seed should come, "If a man sins, he shall take a goat to the Levite Priest, and kill it?
The Law "concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices for sin" came to an end, as Prophesied, this is true. But not God's Laws regarding how to Love Him and Love each other. To preach that they did is the serpent's work, who profess to know God.
If you are rejecting God and His Word as Pagan, or HIS statutes as "Traditions of men or Rudiments of this world", then you have no Faith in God at all. You are become just as those who were examples for us NOT to follow.
Duet. 32: 18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee. 19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters. (Teaching others to reject Him as well)
20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
The "ADDED" Law, "concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices for sin" was a Tutor, which was to lead men to their Priest for forgiveness of their sins and the sacrifice which was made for the repentant.
Because you are not Learned of the Father, you can't understand these things. But you still have time to repent and SEEK the Kingdom of God and "HIS" Righteousness, as the Jesus "of the Bible" instructs. But that would take Faith in God, and Belief in the Christ "of the Bible".
Yes, your "care" for God and HIS Word is clearly dismissed. Clark and Copelands religious teachings of men, refutes my understanding. The Scriptures are my view.
civic
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The gospel is the means used by God so that man can believe , trust the gospel message and afterwards become born again. Peter says the new birth comes from the hearing and believing of the word of God.
So much for the false doctrine of regeneration you espouse it’s the opposite of what Jesus and the Apostles taught.
Should we believe Jesus and the Apostle's or you and calvin ?
hope this helps !!!
civic
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End of discussion I love it when we have to tell Calvinists what they believe yet deny on the forum. it’s cognitive dissonance at work .
"The gospel is the means used by God so that man can believe", written nowhere in the Bible.
I love it when Mr debater don't fare so well despite your sock puppets proclamation.
civic
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You are the easiest calvinist I have ever known on internet forums to refute.
Gospel literally means " good news ". What is the good news ?
the Greek word is where we get our English word from evangelism
euaggelion: good news
Original Word: εὐαγγέλιον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: euaggelion
Phonetic Spelling: (yoo-ang-ghel'-ee-on)
Definition: good news
Usage: the good news of the coming of the Messiah, the gospel; the gen. after it expresses sometimes the giver (God), sometimes the subject (the Messiah, etc.), sometimes the human transmitter (an apostle).
There is One God
There is One Lord
There is One Faith
There is One Baptism
There is One Jesus
There is only One way to God
There is One Savior
And there is One Gospel
Galatians 1:6
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
So since there is only One God, One Savior, One way to God through Christ, One faith, One baptism and One Gospel- there is only one way to be saved.
Paul defines that Gospel by which we are saved below:
1 Corinthians 15:1-19
Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; 7 then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; 8 and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me. 11 Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.12 Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; 14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. 15 Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; 17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.
Only One way to be saved, by One Person, One Gospel and One Faith. In Him alone. Scripture is really very exclusive here but inclusive to all that come to Him freely!
And Paul received this gospel directly from Christ by personal revelation
Galatians 1:11-12
I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.
This gospel is Eternal !
Revelation 14:6
Then I saw another angel flying overhead, with the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation and tribe and tongue and people
Acts 4:12
And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Jesus passed on the gospel to His Disciples. Its the same Gospel but Christ had not suffered, died, risen yet. The disciples didn't understand the Passion until after His Resurrection, they were in denial.
Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand…. I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.” — John 13:7,19
After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken. — John 2:22
From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life. — Matthew 16:21
Now Jesus was going up to Jerusalem. On the way, he took the Twelve aside and said to them, “We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will hand him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!” — Matthew 20:17-19
After His Resurrection
He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself. — Luke 24:25-27
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. — Luke 24:44-45
Are you teaching others the one true Gospel ?
Ones salvation depends upon the one true gospel !
Gospel Summary
1- Jesus died for our sins according to the scriptures
2- Jesus was buried , in a guarded tomb
3- Jesus was raised from the dead, resurrected on the 3rd day bodily
4- Jesus was seen by many witnesses over 40 days before His Ascension and last of all appeared to Paul after His Ascension.
Jesus died for the sin of the world as the Lamb of God who taketh them away ( John 1:29 ) and Rose from the dead as the only sign He would give an unbelieving people who rejected Him proving He was the promised Messiah who had the power over sin, death/grave and the devil having been raised from the dead conquering them all. The gospel is a historical fact verified by many witnesses. The biblical principle of letting every fact be confirmed by the testimony of 2 or 3 witnesses. This gospel is for all the world, for all sinners to come freely and receive the forgiveness of their sins by the atonement He made for ALL the WORLD as per 1 John 2:2.
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
John 3:16-18
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
John 20:30-31
Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
Do you believe this gospel ?
The gospel is Christological or Christ centered. The message is about Jesus. So, the question becomes one of identity.
The new birth and the gospel.
Born of Water John 3
John 3:1-7. Lets look at the context of Jesus interaction with Nicodemus. All human beings have experienced natural birth on earth, if they expect to go to heaven, they must experience a supernatural spiritual birth from above. Nicodemus was a well educated religious leader who did not understand what the Saviour was talking about. Jesus was speaking about a spiritual birth, but Nicodemus thought of a physical birth.
The situation is no different today When you talk with people about being born again, they often begin to discuss their family's religious heritage, their church membership, religious ceremonies like baptism etc....Jesus being a patient teacher picked up on Nicodemus' words and further explained the new birth. To be "born of water" is to be born physically ("enter a second time into his mother's womb") but to be born again means to be born of the Spirit. Just as there are two parents for physical birth, so there are two for spiritual birth: the Spirit of God (John 3:5) and the Word of God (James 1:18; 1 Peter 1:23-25). The Spirit of God takes the Word of God and, when the sinner believes, imparts the life of God.Jesus was not teaching that the new birth comes through water baptism. In the NT baptism is connected with death, not birth and no amount of physical water can cause a spiritual change in a person.
The emphasis in John 3:14-21 is on believing, because salvation comes through faith. John 1:12-13 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Understanding Jesus teaching in John 3 on Born Again !
John 3:3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”
4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked
10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things?
So lets go through this point by point. The PARALLELS and CONTRASTS Jesus makes in the passage are the following 10 by reading through and observing the passage :
1- the 2 births
2- the wind and the spirit
3- flesh and the spirit
4- water and spirit
5- earthly and heavenly things
6- effects of both the wind and spirit
7- the seen with the unseen
8- the physical with the supernatural
9- knowing and not knowing, understanding and not understanding
10- entering the kingdom and not entering the kingdom
summary- just as flesh gives birth to flesh( 1st birth as a person) so to does the Spirit give birth to the spirit(the new birth- born again)
Ezekiel 18 declares : “a NEW SPIRIT I WILL (future) put WITHIN them…” These predictions mean that even Ezekiel was not regenerated, nor was any man prior to Ezekiel. And Ezekiel lived near the end of the OT time period. Scripture talks about 2 kinds of life. Physical and Spiritual. What other “kind of life” does the Bible talk about other than the life we are given in the flesh when we are born of the flesh, and eternal life which we are given when we are born of the Spirit? There is no other “kind of life” taught about in the Bible. When a man is born of the eternal Spirit, by the eternal Word of God, he is given eternal life. A man is regenerated when He is made alive with Jesus Christ (Eph. 2:5). Can a man be “made alive with Jesus Christ” apart from having Jesus Christ dwelling in him? Also, Paul explicitly states, “You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit IF THE SPIRIT OF GOD DWELL IN YOU. And if any man HAVE NOT THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST HE IS NONE OF HIS.” (Rom. 8:9). We are born again THROUGH THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST FROM THE DEAD (1Peter 1:3). Can a man be born again through the resurrection of Jesus Christ before Jesus Christ actually rose again from the dead? No so Jesus in John 3 was not talking about spiritual life in the OT but the promise of the Spirit that would come at Pentecost when His spirit would be poured out upon all who believe in Him and become born again children of God from the preaching of the gospel and receiving Him as Lord.
hope this helps !!!
