civic
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Yep nonsense
Why All Is Not Ordained
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civic
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Can you read and understand what Jesus said about faith ?
Jesus never once taught that faith was given , granted or a gift .He said " YOUR FAITH " has saved and healed you. Not the faith I gave you healed you.
Luke 7
And he said to the woman, Thy faith ( not the faith I have given you )hath saved thee; go in peace.
Luke 8:48
"Daughter," said Jesus, "your faith (not the faith I have given you )has healed you. Go in peace."
Luke 17:19
Then Jesus said to him, "Rise and go; your faith( not the faith I have given you ) has made you well!"
Luke 18:42
"Receive your sight!" Jesus replied. "Your faith(not the faith I have give you ) has healed you."
Matthew 8:10
When Jesus heard this, He marveled and said to those following Him, "Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith.
Matthew 8:13
Then Jesus said to the centurion, "Go! As you have believed, so will it be done for you." And his servant was healed at that very hour.
Matthew 9:2
Just then some men brought to Him a paralytic lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, "Take courage, son; your sins are forgiven.
Matthew 9:22
Jesus turned and saw her. "Take courage, daughter," He said, "your faith has healed you." And the woman was cured from that very hour.
Matthew 9:29
Then He touched their eyes and said, "According to your faith will it be done to you."
Matthew 15:28
"O woman," Jesus answered, "your faith is great! Let it be done for you as you desire." And her daughter was healed from that very hour
Mark 5:34
"Daughter," said Jesus, "your faith has healed you. Go in peace and be free of your affliction."
Mark 10:52
"Go," said Jesus, "your faith has healed you." And immediately he received his sight and followed Jesus along the road.
John 4:53
So the father knew that it was at the same hour, in the which Jesus said unto him, Thy son liveth: and himself believed, and his whole house.
and all were dead in their sins, unregenerate.
hope this helps !!!
Great. Your deflection skills need work. It says "comes from", comes from where?
civic
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When Jesus says " YOUR FAITH " has saved you, does it mean ?
a- the persons He is talking withs faith
b- the faith Jesus gave them faith
c- the faith God gave to them faith
there can be only 1 answer from the dozen texts I provided by Jesus. this is a classic example of EISEGESIS (calvinism) vs exegesis- the biblical view
hope this helps !!!
Of course it's your faith once it is gifted to you. Where does your faith come from?
civic
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Jesus never said it was gifted/given to them by Him- He emphatically said over a DOZEN times it was THEIR FAITH that saved them- not the faith He gave them. Why don't you believe Jesus ?
adding words to the bible is a big no no.
Sure, once it is gifted to then. "What do you have you did not recieve"?
Now, it says faith "comes from", comes from where?
Why can't you answer a simple question?
civic
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More out of context quote mining. We are discussing Jesus not Paul. Diversion duly noted.
Another dodged question. Your answer of course would be faith right?
Rockson
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Are you talking about "faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" ???? Rom 10:17
LOL, you have no idea what we are talking about? Good one
civic
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Yes
civic
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Paul is talking about their wealth and material things . Nice try but it’s another swing and a miss. 3 strikes you are outta there
So your answer would be faith then correct?
Rockson
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So why aren't you wanting to be like a light in the darkness seeking to enlighten one who has asked you a sincere question? You like rather to mock people by laughing at one you feel has an inferior understanding of scripture as compared to you?
You however have no idea what manner of spirit you're of. Sorry but not a good one in the way that you think.
Shadows of things yet to come. That is why God created them for His People and the ALL the Faithful walked in them.
And of a truth, Jesus, Peter, Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, they let NO man judge or beguile them for their voluntary humility towards the One True God. Especially religious men who come in Christ's Name but walk after the imaginations of their own heart "intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind".
As is the practice of the deceived, he must omit most of the Scriptures because to consider them would expose the darkness in his heart, and he loves his darkness, and hides from the Light in order to preserve it. His darkness being in part, the wicked Judgment against God that HE is of this world, Fleshy and carnal, and His Laws are "Rudiments of this world" and Beggarly Elements.
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to (Worldly) ordinances, 21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
The Jesus "of the Bible" tells you about the Pharisees and their traditions, but you simply don't believe Him.
Mark 7: 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. (touch not, taste not, handle not)
, 22 Which all are to perish with the using
after the commandments and doctrines of men? (Not God as you falsely preach)Why, or even how can a man's heart be filled with so much hubris and wickedness that they can Judge God and call God's Statutes and Laws "Rudiments of this world" with absolutely no shame or fear. Well Paul tells us why men can preach these wicked things about God and not even bat an eye.
Rom. 1: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
This is how you can Preach to the world with no fear, that God and HIS Word are of this world, Beggarly Elements, traditions of men and vain deceits, and that Jesus and Paul's Creed was "Against God's Laws", and not even be a little bit ashamed.
What Law was "ADDED" 430 years after God said Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws?
What was it ADDED to? What was Transgressed that caused God to "ADDED" it?
I'll give you a clue, but it is Scripture, so you will most likely reject it.
Jer. 7: 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, (Like Abraham) and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: (Like I was to Abrham) and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, (Like Abraham did) that it may be well unto you.
But there was "LAW" concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices for sin. Even you should know that since you are here on the forum preaching to others. When Did the "LAW" concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices coming into being Tom?
24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.
Was this LAW concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices for sin, not "ADDED" Later, because they Hearkened not, AKA "Transgressed"? And how long was this "LAW" concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices for sin supposed to be in effect? Until the true Lamb of God should come, Yes? And those who would turn to God in repentance, would know who their Priest who should remove their sins was, Like Faithful Zacharias, Simeon and Anna.
This is why Jesus could forgive Sins, and not sprinkle the Blood of a goat on the alter in the Temple according to the Law, and be sinless. He ushered in a New Priesthood Covenant, as Prophesied. The Old Priesthood "works of the Law" concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices for sin, that the Pharisees were still promoting, became old and vanished as Prophesied by the Moses and the Prophets.
The deceiver from the very beginning works to trick men into rejecting God's Word in favor of man's word. This deceiver "Comes in Christ's Name" calls Him Lord, Lord, "Transforms himself into apostles of Christ". The deceiver's creed is and has always been to turn men against God's Laws.
You preach this was Paul's, and by extension, Jesus' creed. You are taught this by preachers like Clark and Copeland. I advocate that a man studies the Scriptures himself, in faith that God will direct him, as opposed to answering questions with random sermons from internet preachers.
I am only pointing out that the religious philosophy you have adopted and are now promoting to others, is the same philosophy Copeland peddles. Neither of you promote the same Gospel of Christ that Paul promoted.
Okay great. Quit responding to my posts then. Problem solved.
You actually addressed nothing of the verse
Sorry you miss the light concentrating on shadows
Colossians 2:16–17 (ESV) — 16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.
Food, drink day observances are mere shaddows
Again what did you address?
What we have here
Colossians 2:16–22 (ESV) — 16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 18 Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God. 20 If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— 21 “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” 22 (referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings?
is identification of those things with elemental spirits of the world
that you imagine pagan feast observances and celebrations are a shadow of Christ is quite revealing
Mark 7:8 is not Col 2:16-22Mark 7: 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. (touch not, taste not, handle not)
, 22 Which all are to perish with the using
Your problem here is with scripture
Colossians 2:16–22 (ESV) — 16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.
What pagan rites do you imagine are a shadow of Christ
read the text
Galatians 3:19–25 (ESV) — 19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20 Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
The law was a temporary measure
until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made,
That is Christ
He came.
The law came to an end
Galatians 3:23–25 (ESV) — 23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,
Hello
Now that christ came we are not under the guardian
The law was the guardian
Hello
care dismissed
Scripture refutes your view
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Rockson
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I think I have a better way than that.
