praise_yeshua
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Find those in the Bible somewhere. I checked 3 translations (NIV, NKJV, ESV) and those phrases are nowhere to be found with respect to election or salvation.
On the other hand, "The Lord chose", "The Lord will choose", "God chose", "God will choose" shows up with respect to election and salvation in many places. The closest I could find was "choose this day" which implies "you". But the choice was between God and other gods.
Luk 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
Luk 6:33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
Luk 6:34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
Luk 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Luk 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
God doesn't need us. He has never needed us. What He does for us is exactly for us. To please us, He must please Himself. The Character of God demands it.
Within this context, we can clearly see that God doesn't love to be loved. God doesn't lend to get money in return.
Yet that is what the absence of choice creates. A God that is solely self serving.