Title: So You Think Predestination Started When and With Whom?

[civic]

Paul said he is our father in John 4

I guess Paul lied

Paul is mentioned in John 4 ?

 

[David Koberstein]

Paul is mentioned in John 4 ?

That was the question I had. I read that chapter in the TLV and I couldn't find anything related to what she was saying.
Shalom and Blessings to you!

 

[David Koberstein]

You just said Abraham was from eber. Hence all of Evers children are Hebrew. Make up your mind

lol I know this. But it does not prove your point

Humble yourself

Lot of opinion out of ignorance. An unkosher Gentile informing me a Jew what my race is and who is Jewish and who is not. That's almost laughable and funny. I will stick with the Rabbinical interpetation thank you! Jews keep impeccable records on genealogies. Unfortunately, grandstanding Gentiles like you do not.
Shalom

 

[jeremiah1five]

Yes not all hebrews were of Abraham Isaac and jacob

All Hebrew people are born from Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13) and Sarai, his half-sister wife, even mixed heritage Hebrews. This family line begins with Eber, the son of Salah (Gen. 11.)
Once a son, always a son.

Again a Jew is from Judah (hence the name) if you can’t get this strait you really have nothing to offer me

I've been writing that very thing. Why you keep throwing it back at me I don't understand.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You just said Abraham was from eber. Hence all of Evers children are Hebrew. Make up your mind

There were a couple of generations in-between, but Eber is an ancestor of Abraham.
Genesis 11 records the descendants of Eber.

lol I know this. But it does not prove your point

Humble yourself

Not humble, broken.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Paul said he is our father in John 4

I guess Paul lied

What are you talking about? Abraham is not any father of non-Hebrew Gentiles. Gentiles were already in existence when God made covenant with Abraham in Genesis. They were not called Gentiles as that term came later to refer to non-Hebrews. Non-Hebrew Gentiles are born from Ham and Japheth. Non-Hebrew Gentiles can never claim Abraham is their father.

 

[FreeInChrist]

But they were gentiles which was my point

So because they were Gentiles, God could not use them?

Jesus initially commended the inhabitants of Nineveh for repenting at the preaching of Jonah, while condemning the Jewish leaders for resisting His own message.

There is no where that I remember, and it is too early to go back and read it, that those in Nineveh who wore the sack cloth and repented, did so for any reason then they were afraid of the destruction they were warned about. The point of them is, they listened to and repented from the warnings of God.

I also do not ever remember them ever hearing of a Messiah and therefore the repentance was necessary.

They were a "Gentile" group, singled out, that did repent and listen to God so they would be the perfect example that even
a Gentile believes God when Jesus mentioned them and their repentance, by example contrasting that response to the unbelief of the Pharisees and teachers of the law .

Which was my point.

 

[FreeInChrist]

He is the father of Isreal. Of edom. And of many nations. By his seed he became the father of anyone born again and in essence all nations

OK... why is it that you have a problem with the Heavenly Father having used A Gentile in Abraham, brought into God's covenant through faith, prior to the establishment of the Jewish nation.

If there was no Jewish Nation before, why would that matter?

Why do you have a problem with Yahweh God using those at that time from Nineveh , which provided Jesus with some "outsiders" to compare to?

You certainly know that God is no respecter of persons... as we are told in Acts 10: 34Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35 but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. IOW, the Ninevites and Most Certainly Abraham

God, our Heavenly Father certainly is no bigot. He may have his chosen but then he extends the olive branch to the believing.

 

[David Koberstein]

All Hebrew people are born from Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13) and Sarai, his half-sister wife, even mixed heritage Hebrews. This family line begins with Eber, the son of Salah (Gen. 11.)
Once a son, always a son.


I've been writing that very thing. Why you keep throwing it back at me I don't understand.

Both of you are ignorant of Jewish culture.
Shalom