Runningman
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Definition number three is the one the Bible uses in Colossians 1:16. So Jesus isn't the creator anymore than a wrench is a mechanic. The context is about the church, too, not the physical universe.
Thomas... My Lord and my God
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101G
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(smile), lol, lol, lol, Oh my, when will they ever learn. Jesus is the "CREATOR", just not in flesh with blood... as the christ, oh mercy me. listen, definition #3. eliminates any two persons or three separate and distinct persons. definition #3 certify what the verse states... God is the EQUAL SHARE of himself in flesh to come.... how many times must 101G say it? God is a plurality of HIMSELF. just as the bible states.
101G.
Runningman
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Which verse calls Jesus the creator instead of an instrument. (Smile)
101G
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John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God."
101G started not to ANSWER THAT, ..... BUT.... just one more, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."
and there is only one ... "Lord"
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101G
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@Runningman
just one question, if the Lord Jesus is not the CREATOR, who then is this that the angel said that sent him to John per Revelation 1:1
listen to the angel. Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done." notice, it said, the "Lord" God .... of the holy prophets...... sent him. is this not the "Lord" Jesus? the God of the holy prophets, O.T. and N.T. AGREED?
101G
just one question, if the Lord Jesus is not the CREATOR, who then is this that the angel said that sent him to John per Revelation 1:1
listen to the angel. Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done." notice, it said, the "Lord" God .... of the holy prophets...... sent him. is this not the "Lord" Jesus? the God of the holy prophets, O.T. and N.T. AGREED?
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101G
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To all,
What 101G believes, 101G teach, (Diversified Oneness), and what 101G teach is from the bible. all that 101G speak can be found, A. in the bible, B, verified by supporting scripture, c. supported by dictionary definitions, and understanding of the definition in CONTEXT of Scripture. but ABOVE ALL the GUDIANCE of the HOLY SPIRIT, who is the Lord JESUS. he is First, amen.
this "Diversified Oneness" is the plurality of God, meaning ... "HIMSELF". this is the difference between 101G and trinitarian. plurality, YES, but HOW in plurality. 101G say by bible, a plurality of EQUAL SHARE of ONE'S "OWN" SELF. this is the key to understanding God's plurality of himself. with this KNOWLEDGE, 101G is set to defend the contentment or the peaceful flow and the unity of the scriptures. no ERRORS, no additions, nor anything taken away.
and this Diversified Oneness is from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21. 101G believes "JESUS", is the almighty, the Spirit, the HOLY SPIRIT, who hold the title "Father", and "Son", in diversity of TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK.
101G.
What 101G believes, 101G teach, (Diversified Oneness), and what 101G teach is from the bible. all that 101G speak can be found, A. in the bible, B, verified by supporting scripture, c. supported by dictionary definitions, and understanding of the definition in CONTEXT of Scripture. but ABOVE ALL the GUDIANCE of the HOLY SPIRIT, who is the Lord JESUS. he is First, amen.
this "Diversified Oneness" is the plurality of God, meaning ... "HIMSELF". this is the difference between 101G and trinitarian. plurality, YES, but HOW in plurality. 101G say by bible, a plurality of EQUAL SHARE of ONE'S "OWN" SELF. this is the key to understanding God's plurality of himself. with this KNOWLEDGE, 101G is set to defend the contentment or the peaceful flow and the unity of the scriptures. no ERRORS, no additions, nor anything taken away.
and this Diversified Oneness is from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21. 101G believes "JESUS", is the almighty, the Spirit, the HOLY SPIRIT, who hold the title "Father", and "Son", in diversity of TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK.
101G.
Peterlag
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Just one God mentioned. The Lord King of Israel and Israels redeemer who is the Lord of hosts are the same God.
Runningman
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You just provided the proof that Jesus was created. Read it again. He isn't God buddy.
Runningman
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This is about the Father sending angels to his servant Jesus. Doesn't Revelation 1:1 talk about the Revelation that God gave to Jesus? If Jesus is God then why is God giving Revelation to Jesus? If God is omniscient why did Jesus need to be given revelation. It's all too philosophical and subjective to make an argument about Jesus being God and it's still your opinion. The easiest way to understand Jesus is that he isn't God.
Revelation 1
1This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John,
Peterlag
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I used to say to the trinitians that they are Catholic...
because they believe the same doctrine the Catholics believe. So many continued to reply back that they were 100 percent convinced they were not Catholic. So I changed my statement to say they believe the same doctrine the Catholics believe and that should be a huge red flag to them.The philosophy of the Trinity is not found in Scripture. Catholic doctrine states the Trinity is found NOWHERE in Scripture, but was given to the Roman Catholics directly from God Himself.
The only reason people believe in the trinity is because the Catholic Church was given it through "Divine Revelation" and that makes EVERYONE who believes in the Trinity a Catholic.
101G
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YOU TRIED TO TWIST IT ... BUT THAT'S OK. NOW THIS, one ... "LORD" ..... AS YOU SAY, fine. is not the "Lord" JESUS THAT "ONE" REDEEMER, WHO IS GOD. let's see, Galatians 3:13 "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:" another, Titus 2:13 "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;" Titus 2:14 "Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works."
Let's stop right here. the subject here is the Great God and our SAVIOUR, the object is Redemption. pete you said, ". The Lord King of Israel and Israels redeemer who is the Lord of hosts are the same God"
looking at Titus 2:13 and 14 ... which one died to redeem us. because Galatians 3:13 above said, "Christ hath redeemed us" so Christ died and since you said the REDEEMER is God, so A. when did God die. and B. since the Lord Jesus the Christ redeemed us, then you by scriptures have just destroyed your own belief of "AGENCY". meaning that your belief of Unitarianism is false.
now, your choice, who is the "REDEEMER" IN THE ABOVE SCRIPTURES.
101G
P.S. 101G just love it when people try to change scripture. they fall worst in the ditch than before. for the scriptures are correct,
2 Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" 2 Thessalonians 2:12 "That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
101G
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oh yes, he is his companion, his FELLOW, God's ANOTHER of himself. LISTEN and LEARN. Zechariah 13:7 "Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones."
the term "FELLOW" is the Hebrew word,
H5997 עָמִית `amiyth (aw-meeth') n-m.
1. companionship.
2. (hence, concretely) a comrade or kindred man.
[from a primitive root meaning to associate]
KJV: another, fellow, neighbour.
101G just cannot understand the gross IGNORANCE coming from Christians. WHERE IS YOUR BIBLE STUDYING?
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101G
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Runningman reply:
This is about the Father sending angels to his servant Jesus. Doesn't Revelation 1:1 talk about the Revelation that God gave to Jesus? If Jesus is God then why is God giving Revelation to Jesus? If God is omniscient why did Jesus need to be given revelation. It's all too philosophical and subjective to make an argument about Jesus being God and it's still your opinion. The easiest way to understand Jesus is that he isn't God.
Revelation 1
1This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John,
At your service,
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So, the Father sent the angel.... ok, let's see if what you said is TRUE. scripture, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." BINGO, the Lord Jesus must be the Father..... for the scripture states, I, I, I, JESUS, so, according to you. the Lord JESUS IS THE "FATHER".
because the Lord Jesus is God who gave the REVELATION to John by his angel... (smile), lol, lol, lol, Oh my. quit listening to IGNORANT MEN..... LISTEN TO GOD, THE LORD JESUS, WHO IS THE GREAT SPIRIT, THE HOLY SPIRIT..... (smile).
yes, now where do it say the "Father" gave the Lord JESUS anything? we suggest you re-read Revelation 1:1 in conjunction with Revelation 22:6 and 22:16..... (smile)...
YIKES!101G
Runningman
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Bad foundation from start to finish. Revelation 1:1 says God gave the revelation to Jesus. Scripture, elsewhere, shows the Father gives things to the Son like in John 3:35, John 5:19, John 13:3, etc. Jesus prays to someone else he calls "Father" or "my God" in John 17 and John 20:17, etc. The Holy Spirit is distinct from Jesus, think John 14:16,17. You can't reasonably conflate Jesus with God even if they have things in common. There is a longer list of things they don't have in common, I might add.Runningman reply:
This is about the Father sending angels to his servant Jesus. Doesn't Revelation 1:1 talk about the Revelation that God gave to Jesus? If Jesus is God then why is God giving Revelation to Jesus? If God is omniscient why did Jesus need to be given revelation. It's all too philosophical and subjective to make an argument about Jesus being God and it's still your opinion. The easiest way to understand Jesus is that he isn't God.
Revelation 1
1This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John,
At your service,
*******************************************************************************************************************************
So, the Father sent the angel.... ok, let's see if what you said is TRUE. scripture, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." BINGO, the Lord Jesus must be the Father..... for the scripture states, I, I, I, JESUS, so, according to you. the Lord JESUS IS THE "FATHER".
because the Lord Jesus is God who gave the REVELATION to John by his angel... (smile), lol, lol, lol, Oh my. quit listening to IGNORANT MEN..... LISTEN TO GOD, THE LORD JESUS, WHO IS THE GREAT SPIRIT, THE HOLY SPIRIT..... (smile).
yes, now where do it say the "Father" gave the Lord JESUS anything? we suggest you re-read Revelation 1:1 in conjunction with Revelation 22:6 and 22:16..... (smile)...
101G
101G
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where do it say this in the scriptures, it says "Him", you assume this. let's see. Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:" NOW the next verse, Revelation 1:2 "Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw." Who bare record? and who saw all these things? answer.... John.
but understand now, the Lord Jesus is now resurrected and GLORIFIED in the Spirit, (per John 17:5) ... HE HAS "ALL POWER", because he has finished the work, and now sits down on the throne.. he know all things. there is nothing to give him now.
you might art to start a topic on Revelation and we all can share our thoughts... it may help one another.....
101G.
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