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I don't even know what you are finding in error with what I posted -----

Isn't it common that scripture calls Jesus - Christ, Messiah?
Didn't Jesus admit to being the Messiah? Isn't Jesus called 'the Lord's Messiah'?
Didn't God the Father give authority to Jesus?
So why the whole list of verses why not just address what you believe I said in error?

BTW, these verses have been addressed repeatedly. Most have some type of textual variant which is why they have different translations. If you would like to discuss one in particular - it would be easier.
Hardly

Jesus is messiah and The deity of Christ is obviously stated

John 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:18 (NASB 95) — 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

John 20:28–29 (NASB 95) — 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him,
“Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”

Matthew 1:23 (NASB 95) — 23 “BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL,” which translated means, “GOD WITH US.”

Acts 2:36–39 (NASB 95) — 36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified.” 37 Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?” 38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself.”

Acts 20:28 (NASB 95) — 28 Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.

Titus 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Hebrews 1:3 (NASB 95) — 3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

Hebrews 1:8 (NASB 95) — 8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

Hebrews 1:9 (NASB 95) — 9 “YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS.”

Hebrews 1:10 (NASB 95) — 10 And, “YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;

2 Peter 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

1 John 5:20 (NASB 95) — 20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

2 Corinthians 4:4 (NASB 95) — 4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Philippians 2:6–7 (NASB 95) — 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

Isaiah 7:14 (NASB 95) — 14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.

Isaiah 9:6 (NASB 95) — 6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

Colossians 2:9 (NASB 95) — 9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
 
No.. that is what emptying himself was all about. It wasn’t an act.

Scripture says the eternal Son emptied Himself (Phil. 2:6–8). He did not pretend to be subordinate; He truly took the role of a servant. Submission belongs to the incarnate Son, not to the divine nature as such.
Scripture says NOTHING regarding an eternal son emptying himself.
It does tell us to 'Let this mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus'. This whole section teaching the Corinthian church about having humility. Jesus was endowed with the very authority of God, being like God his Father, he then emptied himself of his status as King, his status as the Son of God, his status as the Messiah----his royal position adopting the position of servant prepared to obey God to the point of surrendering his life in a torturous death on the cross. Jesus is the Christian model of humility and servitude.

If Jesus is GOD then he did pretend to be subordinate because God is not subordinate to anyone.
How does one submit only in 'nature'?
God the Son did not submit to Himself........ He submitted as man to the Father, just as He truly hungered, suffered, and died as man. That’s not role-playing; that’s the Incarnation.
God the Son is GOD RIGHT? Then God submitted to God, who is the Father. How would it mean anything different?
You better know this. If Christ’s submission was only an “act,” then His suffering, obedience, and death were also an act — and the gospel collapses. Philippians 2 says He emptied Himself, not that He pretended.
I don't believe that Christ's submission was only an 'act'. I have never said God or Jesus had a Messianic role to play.
“Jesus being given authority by the Father doesn’t mean He is less than God. Even as God, He submitted to the Father’s plan in His role as Messiah. Scripture still calls Him God (John 1:1; Colossians 2:9), and all authority given to Him shows the Father’s will working through Him, not a lack of divinity.”​
I agree that he emptied himself of his royal status.

I would never say that my Lord and Savior played a role ---- I believe that as a human being, a man, he actually suffered, he was persecuted, tortured, spit upon, ridiculed and hung on a cross --- he died and God raised him from the dead and exalted him to his own right hand......
Always remember..... Submission is not God submitting to God; it is the eternal Son submitting in the flesh, which is exactly what the Incarnation means.
Submission entails doing the will of someone other than your own will. Jesus always submitted his will to do the will of God, his Father...........I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me. [John 5:30]
A son should always be in obedient submission to his Father, (his parent).......Jesus was.


5:25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
5:26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.

<snip>From what I read in scripture Jesus submitted HIS WILL to the WILL of God HIS FATHER........A child is to be submissive, obedient to their parent and the parent is ALWAYS greater than the child even in adulthood. ...... Jesus was and still is . . . .

God submitted to God's plan in God's role as Messiah ----- God played a part like in a play??? We don't really have a Messiah, the anointed one of God is actually God playing a part????
You: Even as God, He submitted to the Father’s plan in His role as Messiah.
Me: God submitted to God's plan in God's role as Messiah ----- God played a part like in a play???

'the eternal Son submitting in the flesh' --- what does this mean?
 
Scripture says NOTHING regarding an eternal son emptying himself.
It does tell us to 'Let this mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus'. This whole section teaching the Corinthian church about having humility. Jesus was endowed with the very authority of God, being like God his Father, he then emptied himself of his status as King, his status as the Son of God, his status as the Messiah----his royal position adopting the position of servant prepared to obey God to the point of surrendering his life in a torturous death on the cross. Jesus is the Christian model of humility and servitude.

If Jesus is GOD then he did pretend to be subordinate because God is not subordinate to anyone.
How does one submit only in 'nature'?

God the Son is GOD RIGHT? Then God submitted to God, who is the Father. How would it mean anything different?

I don't believe that Christ's submission was only an 'act'. I have never said God or Jesus had a Messianic role to play.
“Jesus being given authority by the Father doesn’t mean He is less than God. Even as God, He submitted to the Father’s plan in His role as Messiah. Scripture still calls Him God (John 1:1; Colossians 2:9), and all authority given to Him shows the Father’s will working through Him, not a lack of divinity.”​
I agree that he emptied himself of his royal status.

I would never say that my Lord and Savior played a role ---- I believe that as a human being, a man, he actually suffered, he was persecuted, tortured, spit upon, ridiculed and hung on a cross --- he died and God raised him from the dead and exalted him to his own right hand......


You: Even as God, He submitted to the Father’s plan in His role as Messiah.
Me: God submitted to God's plan in God's role as Messiah ----- God played a part like in a play???

'the eternal Son submitting in the flesh' --- what does this mean?
Congratulations.

I wont try to reason with the unreasonable any longer...

For a while I choose the button ignore.

Be happy , it might be permanent
 
Congratulations.

I wont try to reason with the unreasonable any longer...

For a while I choose the button ignore.

Be happy , it might be permanent
I'm unreasonable? You call this reasonable?

“Jesus being given authority by the Father doesn’t mean He is less than God. Even as God, He submitted to the Father’s plan in His role as Messiah. Scripture still calls Him God (John 1:1; Colossians 2:9), and all authority given to Him shows the Father’s will working through Him, not a lack of divinity.”

I call this reasonable ----- and scriptural.

"I would never say that my Lord and Savior played a role ---- I believe that as a human being, a man, he actually suffered, he was persecuted, tortured, spit upon, ridiculed and hung on a cross --- he died and God raised him from the dead and exalted him to his own right hand......"

I would really like to know ----- 'the eternal Son submitting in the flesh' --- what does this mean? But since you have me on ignore, I guess I'll never find out.
 
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