Thomas... My Lord and my God

[Runningman]

using the Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of American English, "BY",
prep.
1. Near; close; as, sit by me; that house stands by a river.
[L. pressus.]
2. Near, in motion; as, to move, go or pass by a church. But it seems, in other phrases,or with a verb in the past time, to signify past, gone beyond. "The procession is gone by;" "the hour is gone by;" "John went by." We now use past as an equivalent word. The procession is gone past. Gone by is in strictness tautology, as now used; but I apprehend by signifies primarily near.
3. Through, or with, denoting the agent, means, instrument or cause; as, "a city is destroyed by fire;" "profit is made by commerce;" "to take by force." This use answers to that of the Latin per, through, denoting a passing, acting, agency, or instrumentality.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? ....... (SMILE).

101G.

Definition number three is the one the Bible uses in Colossians 1:16. So Jesus isn't the creator anymore than a wrench is a mechanic. The context is about the church, too, not the physical universe.

 

[101G]

Definition number three is the one the Bible uses in Colossians 1:16. So Jesus isn't the creator anymore than a wrench is a mechanic. The context is about the church, too, not the physical universe.

(smile), lol, lol, lol, Oh my, when will they ever learn. Jesus is the "CREATOR", just not in flesh with blood... as the christ, oh mercy me. listen, definition #3. eliminates any two persons or three separate and distinct persons. definition #3 certify what the verse states... God is the EQUAL SHARE of himself in flesh to come.... how many times must 101G say it? God is a plurality of HIMSELF. just as the bible states.
101G.

 

[Runningman]

(smile), lol, lol, lol, Oh my, when will they ever learn. Jesus is the "CREATOR", just not in flesh with blood... as the christ, oh mercy me. listen, definition #3. eliminates any two persons or three separate and distinct persons. definition #3 certify what the verse states... God is the EQUAL SHARE of himself in flesh to come.... how many times must 101G say it? God is a plurality of HIMSELF. just as the bible states.
101G.

Which verse calls Jesus the creator instead of an instrument. (Smile)

 

[101G]

Which verse calls Jesus the creator instead of an instrument. (Smile)

John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God."

101G started not to ANSWER THAT, ..... BUT.... just one more, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

and there is only one ... "Lord"

101G.

 

[101G]

@Runningman
just one question, if the Lord Jesus is not the CREATOR, who then is this that the angel said that sent him to John per Revelation 1:1
listen to the angel. Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done." notice, it said, the "Lord" God .... of the holy prophets...... sent him. is this not the "Lord" Jesus? the God of the holy prophets, O.T. and N.T. AGREED?

101G

 

[101G]

To all,
What 101G believes, 101G teach, (Diversified Oneness), and what 101G teach is from the bible. all that 101G speak can be found, A. in the bible, B, verified by supporting scripture, c. supported by dictionary definitions, and understanding of the definition in CONTEXT of Scripture. but ABOVE ALL the GUDIANCE of the HOLY SPIRIT, who is the Lord JESUS. he is First, amen.

this "Diversified Oneness" is the plurality of God, meaning ... "HIMSELF". this is the difference between 101G and trinitarian. plurality, YES, but HOW in plurality. 101G say by bible, a plurality of EQUAL SHARE of ONE'S "OWN" SELF. this is the key to understanding God's plurality of himself. with this KNOWLEDGE, 101G is set to defend the contentment or the peaceful flow and the unity of the scriptures. no ERRORS, no additions, nor anything taken away.

and this Diversified Oneness is from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21. 101G believes "JESUS", is the almighty, the Spirit, the HOLY SPIRIT, who hold the title "Father", and "Son", in diversity of TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK.

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

@Peterlag
thanks pete, 101G can kill two birds with your first stone. taking your first point,

#1. the answer, Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

this one verse just killed both unitarians, and trinitarians all at the same time. this is a perfect example of "Diversified Oneness", God, a plurality of ONE Person.

101G.

Just one God mentioned. The Lord King of Israel and Israels redeemer who is the Lord of hosts are the same God.

 

[Runningman]

John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God."

101G started not to ANSWER THAT, ..... BUT.... just one more, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

and there is only one ... "Lord"

101G.

You just provided the proof that Jesus was created. Read it again. He isn't God buddy.

 

[Runningman]

@Runningman
just one question, if the Lord Jesus is not the CREATOR, who then is this that the angel said that sent him to John per Revelation 1:1
listen to the angel. Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done." notice, it said, the "Lord" God .... of the holy prophets...... sent him. is this not the "Lord" Jesus? the God of the holy prophets, O.T. and N.T. AGREED?

101G

This is about the Father sending angels to his servant Jesus. Doesn't Revelation 1:1 talk about the Revelation that God gave to Jesus? If Jesus is God then why is God giving Revelation to Jesus? If God is omniscient why did Jesus need to be given revelation. It's all too philosophical and subjective to make an argument about Jesus being God and it's still your opinion. The easiest way to understand Jesus is that he isn't God.

Revelation 1
1This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John,

 

[Peterlag]

I used to say to the trinitians that they are Catholic...​

because they believe the same doctrine the Catholics believe. So many continued to reply back that they were 100 percent convinced they were not Catholic. So I changed my statement to say they believe the same doctrine the Catholics believe and that should be a huge red flag to them.

The philosophy of the Trinity is not found in Scripture. Catholic doctrine states the Trinity is found NOWHERE in Scripture, but was given to the Roman Catholics directly from God Himself.

The only reason people believe in the trinity is because the Catholic Church was given it through "Divine Revelation" and that makes EVERYONE who believes in the Trinity a Catholic.