Thomas... My Lord and my God
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101G
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if he God came in the ... "PERSON" OF HIS AGENT... WHY NEED AN AGENT? .... (SMILE)
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Peterlag
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Would it be more true if I hand wrote it everytime?
Runningman
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How did God come as Jesus when the Bible says God was with Jesus?
Acts 10
37You yourselves know what has happened throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee with the baptism that John proclaimed: 38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with Him.
Runningman
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Do you think God pre-existed in heaven as a human before traveling to earth?
FreeInChrist
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No, saying ditto would surfice.
101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
also @FreeInChrist, hope you don't mind 101G answering this question from Run. and ......if you don't mind, 101G will answer that question with scripture that he may LEARN the TRUTH about God's plurality once and for all, because it is the biggest downfall of all uneducated and un-properly trained Christians around the world.
Also @civic, @Peterlag, @praise_yeshua, @Fred and any others who are still in the dark about God's plurality of "ONE".
so run, you asked a good question. your question, "How did God come as Jesus when the Bible says God was with Jesus?" ANSWER, scripture, ... follow and LEARN, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." there is that "WITH" just as in John 1:1. The LORD who is God is "with" the Last, HOW? and the Last here is the Lord Jesus, meaning the Last Adam. now the revelation. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." run, there is your answer, the LORD, the First is "ALSO" the Last. do you know what also means? it means, "in addition; too". do you know what that means run? it's the same one person. in addition to being the FIRST, he God, .... JESUS, is also the LAST. did you not understand? lets see this in scriptures, plainly. Revelation 1:11 "Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea." this is the "Lord speaking ... JESUS.
and run, Jesus, the Lord, yes the Lord by saying that he is the Alpha and Omega, (read that verse again), he just said that he is "FATHER". LISTEN and LEARN, Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." WHAT? ...."the which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." is this not the FATHER? lets see. Revelation 1:4 "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;" Revelation 1:5 "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,"
from ... HIM... ONE PERSON. who is Father, which is, and which was, and which is to come, (whom you calls the FATHER), that's the Lord JESUS, the Almighty ONE, and from the seven Spirits which, (who you call the Holy Spirit), that's the Lord Jesus. (Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." WHO WAS SENT INTO ALL THE EARTH? THE HOLY SPIRIT, THAT'S JESUS) and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, that's a no brainer.
this is good bible study on the plurality of God as ONE PERSON... "Diversified Oneness" ain't God . .... GOOD. as the scriptures says, Psalms 34:8 "O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him." Psalms 34:9 "O fear the LORD, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him."
this is your morning breakfast, ....
coffee anyone?101G
101G
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no, did you not read? Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." .... THIN K
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101G
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pete, pete, pete... you're gasping for air and straws...raising is the whole purpose of resurrection. Pete... can you raise up your body... or as a matter of fact can any human raise up their own body from the dead? please give us book chapter and verse please. afterward then we can proceed.
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FreeInChrist
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Oh boy. @101G can be excused for I do not know how to say what I am about to say other then it calling for a back and forth.
So with 101G excluded, anyone else have anything to say because admittedly this is at the start of his post ....
I so appreciate what 101G posted above here....
In part it reads
Wowsers....
While I fully agree with the sentiment here... and understand that many Bibles use this specific translation... starting with the KJV
I did my normal
and admittedly came away with an upside down smile for someone really messed up translating this properly, and those who copied what was accepted did no one any favors.
Not even going with my latest go to.... Just look at what a few from bible hub read.
New International Version
Who has done this and carried it through, calling forth the generations from the beginning? I, the LORD—with the first of them and with the last—I am he.” (With the first of them???? generatiions????? with the last????? generation(s)????)
Amplified Bible
“Who has performed and done this, Calling forth [and guiding the destinies of] the generations [of the nations] from the beginning? ‘I, the LORD—the first, and with the last [existing before history began, the ever-present, unchanging God]—I am He.’” (I really like this one)
The Complete Jewish Bible
Yeshayahu (Isaiah)
4Who worked and did, Who calls the generations from the beginning; I, the Lord, am first, and with the last ones I am He. (NOTE: and with the last one(s) = plural.... this verse is talking about the generations... not the "last Adam" or Messiah)
Torah
Nevi'im (Prophets) » Isaiah (Yeshayahu)
Who hath wrought and done it? He that called the generations from the beginning. I, the Lord, who am the first, and with the last am the same. (NOTE: and with the last .... this verse reads as if it is talking about the last generation. not the "last Adam" or Messiah)
So while I would like to be exuberant on the post I have read .... personally I fond parts to be problematic and the rest a non-starter for me.
So with 101G excluded, anyone else have anything to say because admittedly this is at the start of his post ....
I so appreciate what 101G posted above here....
In part it reads
Wowsers....
While I fully agree with the sentiment here... and understand that many Bibles use this specific translation... starting with the KJV
I did my normal
and admittedly came away with an upside down smile for someone really messed up translating this properly, and those who copied what was accepted did no one any favors.Not even going with my latest go to.... Just look at what a few from bible hub read.
New International Version
Who has done this and carried it through, calling forth the generations from the beginning? I, the LORD—with the first of them and with the last—I am he.” (With the first of them???? generatiions????? with the last????? generation(s)????)
Amplified Bible
“Who has performed and done this, Calling forth [and guiding the destinies of] the generations [of the nations] from the beginning? ‘I, the LORD—the first, and with the last [existing before history began, the ever-present, unchanging God]—I am He.’” (I really like this one)
The Complete Jewish Bible
Yeshayahu (Isaiah)
4Who worked and did, Who calls the generations from the beginning; I, the Lord, am first, and with the last ones I am He. (NOTE: and with the last one(s) = plural.... this verse is talking about the generations... not the "last Adam" or Messiah)
Torah
Nevi'im (Prophets) » Isaiah (Yeshayahu)
Who hath wrought and done it? He that called the generations from the beginning. I, the Lord, who am the first, and with the last am the same. (NOTE: and with the last .... this verse reads as if it is talking about the last generation. not the "last Adam" or Messiah)
So while I would like to be exuberant on the post I have read .... personally I fond parts to be problematic and the rest a non-starter for me.
101G
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without any back and forth, you should have gone with your, "latest go to". since you did not, 101G will. so to put an end of back and forth.
it’s just unbelievable how many are still in darkness. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."
who is the LAST here? let’s go to the bible Hub and see for ourselves what is the answer. using the Lexicon for “Last” in Isaiah 41:4 it is the Hebrew term: H314. acharon. PLEASE GO TO THE SITE AND TO THE LEXICON FOR THE DEFINITION OF "LAST" AND WHAT IT MEANS. THERE ONE WILL FIND THE Brown-Driver-Briggs dictionary ON EXPLAINING HOW THE TERM IS USED IN CONTEXT.
now, the Brown-Driver-Briggs dictionary, אַחֲרוֺן51 feminine אַחֲרוֺנָה plural אַחֲרֹנִים (also אַחֲרוֺנִים adjective from אַחַר, coming after or behind (as a comparative or superlative, according to the context); hence
a. of place, behind, hindermost Genesis 33:2 (twice in verse); הָאַחֲרוֺן הַיָּם the hinder (= the Western) sea (i.e. the Mediterranean: opposed to הַיָּם הַקַּדְמוֺנִי the front sea = the Dead Sea, the Semites, in defining the quarters of the heavens, turning naturally to the East, compare קֶדֶם of the East, יָמִין, תֵּימָן of the South, above under the word אָחוֺר d. and Assyrian mat a—arru 'the Western land,' of Phoenicia & Palestine) Deuteronomy 11:24; Deuteronomy 34:2; Joel 2:20; Zechariah 14:8; Job 18:20 poetic אַחֲרֹנִים Ew Hi Di De the dwellers in the West (opposed to קַדְמוֺנִים). More commonly
b. of time, latter or last (according to context) Exodus 4:8; Deuteronomy 24:3; 2 Samuel 19:12; Isaiah 8:23, of God Isaiah 44:6 ("" רִאשׁוֺן) Isaiah 48:12 (do.) compare Isaiah 41:4; in Genl. subsequent (vaguely), ׳יוֺם א = time to come Isaiah 30:8; Proverbs 31:25 (but Nehemiah 8:18 הַיוֺם ׳הָאַ = the last day), ׳(הָ)אַ (הַ)דּוֺר the following Generation Deuteronomy 29:21; Psalm 48:14; Psalm 78:4; Psalm 78:6; Psalm 102:19, (הָ)אַחֲרֹנִים they that come after Job 18:20 (Ges Schl) Ecclesiastes 1:11; Ecclesiastes 4:16, but Isaiah 41:4 the last, Job 19:25 וְאַחֲרוֺן עַלעָֿפָר יָקוּם and as one coming after (me) (and so able to establish my innocence when I am dead) will he (גָֹּֽאֲלִי my Vindicator) arise upon the dust. — The feminine is used adverbially (compare רִאשֹׁנָה) = afterwards or at the last (according to context): (a) absolute Daniel 11:29; (β) בָּאַחֲרוֺנָה (opposed to בָּרִאשֹׁנָה) Deuteronomy 13:10; Deuteronomy 17:7; 1 Samuel 29:2; 2 Samuel 2:26; 1 Kings 17:13; Daniel 8:3; (γ) ׳לָאַ Numbers 2:31 (P) Ecclesiastes 1:11.
Go to Bible Hub and READ for oneself and LEARN the TRUTH. HERE IS THE LINK. https://biblehub.com/hebrew/314.htm
in the Brown-Driver-Briggs dictionary, in section b. of time, latter or last (according to context) see the answer, but Isaiah 41:4 the last..... THE, THE, THE, the definite article is used. 101G saw a Hebrew Rabbi do a study on this, and he, by God, open 101G eyes to the fact that the Lord Jesus is the "LAST" here in Isaiah 41:4.
101G have already explained this before in the topic, "Isaiah 41:4 "‘I, YHWH , am the first, and with the last. I am he (ἐγώ εἰμι)’ "" at post #14 ..... https://berean-apologetics.communit...h-the-last-i-am-he-ἐγώ-εἰμι-’.1048/post-52348
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101G
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this is the blindness and the LACK of KNOWLEDGE .... without God's Holy Wisdom 101G speaks of. blindly run after men, ... and wined up in the ditch, (smile), following after what men say, instead of what God has said.
when will they learn, for the scriptures are true, 2 Timothy 3:7 "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."
101G.
when will they learn, for the scriptures are true, 2 Timothy 3:7 "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."
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FreeInChrist
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You insist on using Jimmy's translation. I am currently using the one that has corrected a lot of Jimmy's mistakes.
No worries.... You are on ignore because I did not ask you to reply. I said it was not for you.
Runningman
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So when Jesus was created he was created to be lower than angels. Ok got it.
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