Thomas... My Lord and my God

[101G]

to all my Trinitarians, and Unitarians also.
Isaiah 48:16 "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me."

the Lord God? notice Lord is God, (not a person, but God, a Spirit) ...... and his Spirit sent .... "ME" question to all, "Who is the ME in this verse?" and for those who are totally IGNORANT, it's not Isaiah. for Isaiah was not from the beginning. so who is the "ME" here in Isaiah 48:16.... and please note: there nis ONLY "ONE" Lord, Ephesians 4:5 "One Lord, one faith, one baptism,"

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

@Peterlag, @civic, @Fred, and @Runningman
Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

now this pete, Revelation 5:12 "Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing."

read both verses carefully. now, is not the Lamb the Lord who sits on the throne, who you calls the son? if not give book chapter and verse as to either your Father or your Holy Spirit... receiving Power. just give book chapter and verse to that effect.

now, 101G have scripture, where the Son received power, so just supply scripture where the Father, or the Holy Spirit receive power. will be looking for those verses.

101G.

I don't read Revelation. The book of Revelation does not teach that Jesus is God or even deal with Christianity. It's a book written in parables and figures of speech based on the customs and culture of Israel that deal with what will concern Israel in the future.

 

[Peterlag]

So glad you were in heaven to witness that.

However....

God refers to Jesus as God in several passages, notably in Hebrews 1:8-10, where it states, "But about the Son he says, 'Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever.'" Additionally, John 1:1 declares, "the Word was God," identifying Jesus as the Word.

This verse quotes from Psalm 45:6, addressing the Son as “O God,” affirming His divine nature and eternal reign. It declares the Son’s sovereignty and everlasting authority, emphasizing His divine status and preeminence.

Studying Hebrews 1:8 reinforces the biblical teaching on the deity of Jesus Christ. It provides clear evidence from the Old Testament that the Son is addressed as God, affirming His equality with the Father. Understanding this verse deepens our understanding of Jesus’s divine identity and reinforces our confidence in His eternal reign as Lord and King.

Hebrews 1:8 is not a teaching on the trinity or that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. Hebrews is saying your throne oh God is forever. Not Jesus is forever. In Hebrews it's quoted referring to Jesus having the use of that throne.

Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Psalms 45:6
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

 

[101G]

I don't read Revelation. The book of Revelation does not teach that Jesus is God

First ERROR of the DAY. if you don't read revelation ... how do you know this?

It's a book written in parables and figures of speech based on the customs and culture of Israel that deal with what will concern Israel in the future.

SECOND and THIRD ERROR of the day. the Book of Revelation is prophecy. Revelation 1:3 "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."

but since you don't read the book of revelation you didn't know that. see, it's a book of prophecy that is signified.

and the reason why you are afraid to read the book is because it destroys your future as to who God is, the Lord Jesus whom you claim will be Father, (per Isaiah 9:6). ...

good day

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

First ERROR of the DAY. if you don't read revelation ... how do you know this?

SECOND and THIRD ERROR of the day. the Book of Revelation is prophecy. Revelation 1:3 "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."

but since you don't read the book of revelation you didn't know that. see, it's a book of prophecy that is signified.

and the reason why you are afraid to read the book is because it destroys your future as to who God is, the Lord Jesus whom you claim will be Father, (per Isaiah 9:6). ...

good day

101G.

Very few people on the planet understand the book of Revelation. So called Christians like yourself quote it all day long but really have no idea what the book is saying because it's written in parables and figures of speech based on the customs and culture of Israel that deal with what will concern Israel in the future.

 

[101G]

Very few people on the planet understand the book of Revelation.

101G disagree, a few? scripture, 1 Corinthians 2:12 "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God." 1 Corinthians 2:13 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."

Get the Holy Spirit.....

So called Christians like yourself quote it all day long but really have no idea what the book is saying because it's written in parables and figures of speech based on the customs and culture of Israel that deal with what will concern Israel in the future.

since you have not read revelation, then that's conjecture on your part. NOW LISTEN CAREFULLY, instead of going on what men say, read for yourself .... WITH the Holy Spirit, for if you read the book you get a blessing. Revelation 1:3 "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."

as for "So called Christians", is that an opinion that is personal?

101G.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Hebrews 1:8 is not a teaching on the trinity or that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. Hebrews is saying your throne oh God is forever. Not Jesus is forever. In Hebrews it's quoted referring to Jesus having the use of that throne.

Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God,

Tell us @Peterlag. ....... who is the Son, here , that is called O God?

Is it perhaps the heavenly Father? If so then pray tell us who the Father's Father is?

Every single time someone posts a verse that counters what YOU believe, YOU switch it to be about the Trinity.

And you use the Trinity as an excuse to not read "all" of the bible. Revelation of course takes the ability to discern what is truly being said.....

Such foolery on your part.

Foolery because IF you have the context of Hebrews 1 firmly in your mind you would know that it is the Father , who is in heaven, who was talking of his Son.

There is no doubt........ There can be no doubt...... But I am changing your name to Peter Thomas because you are a doubter
where there is no reason to.

God’s Final Word in His Son​

1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,

2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.

3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, (someone mention this to the one who questions if He really is at the right hand of the Father... please. Ignore is working swell. Thanks)

4 having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.

5 For to which of the angels did He ever say,

“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again,

“I will be a Father to Him
And He shall be a Son to Me”?

6 when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says,

“And let all the angels of God worship Him.”

7And of the angels He says,

“Who makes His angels winds,
And His ministers a flame of fire.”

8 But of the Son He says,

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.

9“You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness above Your companions.”

10And,
“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the works of Your hands;

11They will perish, but You remain;
And they all will become old like a garment,

12And like a mantle You will roll them up;
Like a garment they will also be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not come to an end.”

13But to which of the angels has He ever said,

“Sit at My right hand,
Until I make Your enemies
A footstool for Your feet”?

14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?

is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Psalms 45:6
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

Psalm 45:6 Tell us Pete.... you really do not see it do you. I am very sorry.
I cannot help it that you cannot understand that

New International Version
Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.

New Living Translation
Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever. You rule with a scepter of justice.

English Standard Version
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of uprightness;

Berean Standard Bible
Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom.

King James Bible
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

New King James Version
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

New American Standard Bible
Your throne, God, is forever and ever; The scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of justice.

NASB 1995
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

NASB 1977
Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy kingdom.

Legacy Standard Bible
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

Amplified Bible
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; The scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

Christian Standard Bible
Your throne, God, is forever and ever; the scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of justice.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Your throne, God, is forever and ever; the scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of justice.

American Standard Version
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: A sceptre of equity is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Contemporary English Version
You are God, and you will rule forever as king. Your royal power brings about justice.

English Revised Version
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of equity is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter in your kingdom is a scepter for justice.

International Standard Version
Your throne, God, exists forever and ever, and the scepter of your kingdom is a righteous scepter.

NET Bible
Your throne, O God, is permanent. The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of justice.

New Heart English Bible
Your throne, God, is forever and ever. A scepter of equity is the scepter of your kingdom.

Webster's Bible Translation
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the scepter of thy kingdom is a scepter of justice.
Majority Text Translations
Majority Standard Bible
Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom.

World English Bible
Your throne, God, is forever and ever. A scepter of equity is the scepter of your kingdom.
Literal Translations
Literal Standard Version
Your throne, O God, [is for] all time and forever, "" A scepter of uprightness "" [Is] the scepter of Your kingdom.

Young's Literal Translation
Thy throne, O God, is age-during, and for ever, A sceptre of uprightness Is the sceptre of Thy kingdom.

Smith's Literal Translation
Thy throne, O God, forever and ever: a rod of straightness the rod of thy kingdom.
Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a sceptre of uprightness.

Catholic Public Domain Version
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of true aim.

New American Bible
Your throne, O God, stands forever; your royal scepter is a scepter for justice.

New Revised Standard Version
Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever. Your royal scepter is a scepter of equity;
Translations from Aramaic
Lamsa Bible
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

Peshitta Holy Bible Translated
Your throne, oh God, is to the eternity of eternities. A straight scepter is the scepter of your kingdom.
OT Translations
Brenton Septuagint Translation
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a sceptre of righteousness.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Very few people on the planet understand the book of Revelation. So called Christians like yourself quote it all day long but really have no idea what the book is saying because it's written in parables and figures of speech based on the customs and culture of Israel that deal with what will concern Israel in the future.

Unfortunately for you, you never tried.

A good study , over many years and you will understand those parables unless you are one that Jesus said in Matt 13:10-17

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

 

[Peterlag]

Tell us @Peterlag. ....... who is the Son, here , that is called O God?

Is it perhaps the heavenly Father? If so then pray tell us who the Father's Father is?

Every single time someone posts a verse that counters what YOU believe, YOU switch it to be about the Trinity.

And you use the Trinity as an excuse to not read "all" of the bible. Revelation of course takes the ability to discern what is truly being said.....

Such foolery on your part.

Foolery because IF you have the context of Hebrews 1 firmly in your mind you would know that it is the Father , who is in heaven, who was talking of his Son.

There is no doubt........ There can be no doubt...... But I am changing your name to Peter Thomas because you are a doubter
where there is no reason to.

God’s Final Word in His Son​

1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,

2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.

3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, (someone mention this to the one who questions if He really is at the right hand of the Father... please. Ignore is working swell. Thanks)

4 having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.

5 For to which of the angels did He ever say,

“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again,

“I will be a Father to Him
And He shall be a Son to Me”?

6 when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says,

“And let all the angels of God worship Him.”

7And of the angels He says,

“Who makes His angels winds,
And His ministers a flame of fire.”

8 But of the Son He says,

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.

9“You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness above Your companions.”

10And,
“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the works of Your hands;

11They will perish, but You remain;
And they all will become old like a garment,

12And like a mantle You will roll them up;
Like a garment they will also be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not come to an end.”

13But to which of the angels has He ever said,

“Sit at My right hand,
Until I make Your enemies
A footstool for Your feet”?

14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?


Psalm 45:6 Tell us Pete.... you really do not see it do you. I am very sorry.
I cannot help it that you cannot understand that

New International Version
Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.

New Living Translation
Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever. You rule with a scepter of justice.

English Standard Version
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of uprightness;

Berean Standard Bible
Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom.

King James Bible
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

New King James Version
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

New American Standard Bible
Your throne, God, is forever and ever; The scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of justice.

NASB 1995
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

NASB 1977
Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy kingdom.

Legacy Standard Bible
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

Amplified Bible
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; The scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

Christian Standard Bible
Your throne, God, is forever and ever; the scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of justice.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Your throne, God, is forever and ever; the scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of justice.

American Standard Version
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: A sceptre of equity is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Contemporary English Version
You are God, and you will rule forever as king. Your royal power brings about justice.

English Revised Version
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of equity is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter in your kingdom is a scepter for justice.

International Standard Version
Your throne, God, exists forever and ever, and the scepter of your kingdom is a righteous scepter.

NET Bible
Your throne, O God, is permanent. The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of justice.

New Heart English Bible
Your throne, God, is forever and ever. A scepter of equity is the scepter of your kingdom.

Webster's Bible Translation
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the scepter of thy kingdom is a scepter of justice.
Majority Text Translations
Majority Standard Bible
Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom.

World English Bible
Your throne, God, is forever and ever. A scepter of equity is the scepter of your kingdom.
Literal Translations
Literal Standard Version
Your throne, O God, [is for] all time and forever, "" A scepter of uprightness "" [Is] the scepter of Your kingdom.

Young's Literal Translation
Thy throne, O God, is age-during, and for ever, A sceptre of uprightness Is the sceptre of Thy kingdom.

Smith's Literal Translation
Thy throne, O God, forever and ever: a rod of straightness the rod of thy kingdom.
Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a sceptre of uprightness.

Catholic Public Domain Version
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of true aim.

New American Bible
Your throne, O God, stands forever; your royal scepter is a scepter for justice.

New Revised Standard Version
Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever. Your royal scepter is a scepter of equity;
Translations from Aramaic
Lamsa Bible
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

Peshitta Holy Bible Translated
Your throne, oh God, is to the eternity of eternities. A straight scepter is the scepter of your kingdom.
OT Translations
Brenton Septuagint Translation
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a sceptre of righteousness.

“Your throne is God.” Hebrews 1:8 is an almost exact quotation from the Septuagint version of Psalm 45:6, which itself was a very good translation of the Hebrew text of Psalm 45:6, and Hebrews 1:9 is from the Septuagint of Psalm 45:7. The theme of Hebrews 1 centers around the Father’s rule and elevation of the Son over the rest of creation. God spoke through the prophets, and then through His Son, who He appointed heir of all things and who is now seated at God’s right hand as second in command under God.

The God of the Son—anointed him and set him above his companions, such that the Son now sits on God’s right hand. Hebrews exalts the Son, and in so doing exalts the Father. But in contrast to what Trinitarians say, Hebrews 1:8 (and thus Psalm 45:6) does not call Jesus “God” and does not support the Trinity. To see that fully, one must study Psalm 45. Upon examination, Psalm 45 does not support the Trinity, so when it is quoted in Hebrews 1:8 then that quotation does not support the Trinity either. The Jews read Psalm 45 for centuries and never concluded that the Messiah would be “God in the flesh” or somehow be part of a Triune God.

 

[Runningman]

LOL, LOL, LOL, CREATED? .... run, you know better than that. the Lord Jesus is the ... "CREATOR". .... (smile), tried to slide that Jesus was CREATED thing in ... huh, oh my my my.
now, one more time, Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."

NEXT,

101G.

Jesus is never called the creator in the Bible nor described as creating anything. Jesus is explicitly stated to be created in John 1:14, Colossians 1:15, and Revelation 3:14. You know better than that. You can't push forward with these strange "God Man" ideas when there is the Bible still there contradicting your theories.

Revelation 3
14“And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation.

 

[FreeInChrist]

It is true that Jesus never said the exact words, “I am God.” He did, however, make the claim to be God in many different ways, and those who heard Him knew exactly what He was saying. For example, in John 10:30, Jesus said, “I and the Father are one.” The Jews who heard Him make that statement knew well that He was claiming to be God, as witnessed by their reaction: “His Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him” (John 10:31). When He asked them why they were attempting to stone Him, they said, “For blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). Stoning was the penalty for blasphemy (Leviticus 24:16), and the Jews plainly accused Jesus of claiming to be God.

Can we say... liar, liar pants on fire??????????????????????????????????????????????????????/
Jesus made another statement claiming to be God when He said, “Very truly I tell you, . . . before Abraham was born, I am!” (John 8:58). The Jews, upon hearing Him, clearly understood that He was claiming preexistence and, more than that, to be Yahweh, the great “I AM” of Exodus 3:14.
The disciples of Jesus distinctly heard Him declare His deity. After Jesus’ resurrection, Thomas the doubting disciple finally understood Jesus’ deity, declaring Him to be “my Lord and my God” (John 20:28). If Jesus were not Lord and God, He would have corrected Thomas, but He did not;
I am soon going to be without opponents. Not sure if this is a time for gladness or sadness but I am certain my mind will enjoy the rest because to need to keep quoting whole chapters from the Holy Book to one that will not even bother to read
what is written is tiring, and those of you who know..... know, and do not need to have me provide the chapters they all know so well.

I find myself beyond wondering what is causing them to get their.... -well, kindly say it in an abriviated way.... in a knot.
Over something that is so obviously being kept from their eyes and understanding.

Yea... I am talking about that T word. Any blessed time someone presents a truth these folks jump at the fact that it is not talking about the Trinity. OR

" I don't read Revelation. The book of Revelation does not teach that Jesus is God or even deal with Christianity. It's a book written in parables and figures of speech based on the customs and culture of Israel that deal with what will concern Israel in the future."
This same person has avoided reading Hebrews 1, that I provided in full after they claimed that "
8 But of the Son He says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,........ because it was compared by the author of Hebrews to Psalm 45:6 and being that is not an exact match this one is now saying the divine inspiration for the authoring of Hebrews was wrong.

Hebrew 1

God’s Final Word in His Son​

1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,

2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.

3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, (someone mention this to the one who questions if He really is at the right hand of the Father... please. Ignore is working swell. Thanks)

4 having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.

5 For to which of the angels did He ever say,

“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again,

“I will be a Father to Him
And He shall be a Son to Me”?

6 when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says,

“And let all the angels of God worship Him.”

7And of the angels He says,

“Who makes His angels winds,
And His ministers a flame of fire.”

8 But of the Son He says,

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.

9“You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness above Your companions.”

10And,
“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the works of Your hands;

11They will perish, but You remain;
And they all will become old like a garment,

12And like a mantle You will roll them up;
Like a garment they will also be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not come to an end.”

13But to which of the angels has He ever said,

“Sit at My right hand,
Until I make Your enemies
A footstool for Your feet”?

14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?

And rather then accept what Heb 1:8 states he has mangled it such that I now am certain this person does not have English as their first language.... and cannot read what was inspired to be written by the Holy Spirit.

OOPS... I bet that is someone that this person does not acknowledge at all.....

I wonder how someone can explain themselves when the time is right to offset such a twist of words/
"The God of the Son—anointed him and set him above his companions, such that the Son now sits on God’s right hand."
Yes, I am aware I have been rambling. The only person this should cause any alarm in is the one who would not understand a single sentence of mind.... so no foul there. I dont understand them either.

Blessings everyone that understands, and if you don't ????????????????/

 

[Peterlag]

Trinitarians piece together statements that are scattered all over the Bible. They basically use bits and pieces of words and half verses along with their own human reasoning, imagination, speculation and assumptions as they pick one verse here, and another verse there, a hint here, and aclue there.

@Runningman put it this way...
Trinitarianism is a bunch of misleading half-truths built on cherry picking verses and saying it means something that usually is contradicted by the context.

 

[101G]

Jesus is never called the creator in the Bible nor described as creating anything.

lets see what the bible says about that. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." NOW THIS, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

well run, is not JESUS the Lord who is the Word?

101G.

 

[101G]

To all,
Let 101G be clear where he stand in doctrine. 101G believes God is a plurality of himself that was to come in flesh. and this doctrine is called "Diversified Oneness". and it is found in the bible as the Root and "Offspring" of David, per Revelation 22:16
this term "Offspring" holds the key to God's plurality in TIME, PLACE, ORDER and RANK. It is the Greek word,

G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096

God in flesh and blood as a man, (the Christ), is clearly see in the OT as a Pattern or figure to come in the work of KINSMAN REDEEMER. this is our redemptive work by Christ., from sin. also this REDEMPTIVE work is clearly seen in 1 Corinthians 12:4 "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit." 1 Corinthians 12:5 "And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord." 1 Corinthians 12:6 "And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all." through out the O.T. this pattern of "Diversity", or the "plurality of ONE", hence, (Diversified Oneness), is clearly seen in the Ordinal designations of First and the Last. and in this Ordinal designations of First and the Last, we clearly see the RANK, "LORD", and "Lord" or in ORDER, "LORD"/First and "Lord"/Last, or in PLACE, "LORD"/First/Alpha, (O.T.) and "Lord"/Last/Omega, (N.T.), or in TIME, LORD"/First/Alpha, (O.T.)/Beginning, and "Lord"/Last/end/Omega, (N.T.)/end .

Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts." Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

lets see what the bible says about that. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." NOW THIS, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

well run, is not JESUS the Lord who is the Word?

101G.

John 1:3 “Everything came to be through it.” The logos is an “it” not a “him.”

Translators have deliberately chosen to use “him” because they wanted to emphasize that the Word was the male person we know as Jesus. This was a theological choice, not a linguistic one.

"Do not forsake wisdom, and she will protect you; love her, and she will watch over you” (Proverbs 4:6).

Is the Wisdom in Proverbs 4:6 a distinct divine person?

The "Word" is not literally a person for the same reason that "Wisdom" is not literally a person. Both are to be taken metaphorically.

Jesus is the personification of the Word because He speaks the words of God. To listen to Jesus equals listening to the Word of God.

 

[Runningman]

lets see what the bible says about that. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." NOW THIS, Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

well run, is not JESUS the Lord who is the Word?

101G.

Question, since you won't hear anything I say, but you love to find the truth on your own terms and in your own way, what does the word "by" mean in Colossians 1:16 and since Colossians 1:15 says Jesus in part of the creation, how do you figure he's still the creator?

 

[Peterlag]

 

[101G]

John 1:3 “Everything came to be through it.” The logos is an “it” not a “him.”

another ERROR on your part. again the IGNORANCE which 101G speak of. "through it?" my God do you know that your "it" is ... his Word.... remember he was alone and "BY HIMSELF" when he created all things. LISTEN and LEARN, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" do you understand what Isaiah by God just said? if he's alone and by, by, by/through HIMSELF, then no one or "it" made anything. my God how hard is that to understand?

he spoke and all things were created. and what he spoke ... was by/through his "OWN" Word, and that Word ... he himself became flesh, John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.", yes the Christ.

so, the Logos is "HIM" and not a "it". .... LISTEN, John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." hello.

Translators have deliberately chosen to use “him” because they wanted to emphasize that the Word was the male person we know as Jesus. This was a theological choice, not a linguistic one.

another ERROR on your part. quite listing to men and LISTEN to God.

"Do not forsake wisdom, and she will protect you; love her, and she will watch over you” (Proverbs 4:6).

Is the Wisdom in Proverbs 4:6 a distinct divine person?

yes, and a ONLY "ONE" Divine person, God himself, (who is LIGHT in his Work of the CREATION). LISTEN and LEARN, since you're in proverbs. Proverbs 8:22 "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, (NOTE THAT ... HIS WAY), before his works of old." Proverbs 8:23 "I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was." Proverbs 8:24 "When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water." Proverbs 8:25 "Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:" Proverbs 8:26 "While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world." Proverbs 8:27 "When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:" Proverbs 8:28 "When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:" Proverbs 8:29 "When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:" Proverbs 8:30 "Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;" Proverbs 8:31 "Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men."

well now pete, the revelation time. who is the "I" speaking here saying, " and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;" and "and my delights were with the sons of men." .... who is this Pete, answer, God, the almighty one, Jesus. for the terms in red and blue delight, rejoicing are synonyms for light, which "LIGHT" in Genesis 1 is another word for .... drum roll "WISDOM". let's see it. Genesis 1:3 "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." Genesis 1:4 "And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness." in Hebrew,
LIGHT: H216 אוֹר 'owr (ore) n-f.
1. illumination.
2. (concretely) luminary (in every sense, including lightning, happiness, etc.).
[from H215]
KJV: bright, clear, + day, light (-ning), morning, sun.
Root(s): H215

Did you see the term happiness in the second definition? yes it is synonyms for delight, and rejoicing. ain't that something. see what a little research will do when you study with the Holy Spirit in Lead.... now, let see it in practice, in the scriptures.

1 John 1:5 "This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all." 1 John 1:6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:" 1 John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

one more, John 1:5 "And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."

LIGHT = WISDOM of GOD, and Darkness is IGNORANCE of men. well just one more, 1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God."

this is too easy.

The "Word" is not literally a person for the same reason that "Wisdom" is not literally a person. Both are to be taken metaphorically.

Jesus is the personification of the Word because He speaks the words of God. To listen to Jesus equals listening to the Word of God.

see above.

101G

 

[101G]

Question, since you won't hear anything I say, but you love to find the truth on your own terms and in your own way, what does the word "by" mean in Colossians 1:16 and since Colossians 1:15 says Jesus in part of the creation, how do you figure he's still the creator?

using the Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of American English, "BY",
prep.
1. Near; close; as, sit by me; that house stands by a river.
[L. pressus.]
2. Near, in motion; as, to move, go or pass by a church. But it seems, in other phrases,or with a verb in the past time, to signify past, gone beyond. "The procession is gone by;" "the hour is gone by;" "John went by." We now use past as an equivalent word. The procession is gone past. Gone by is in strictness tautology, as now used; but I apprehend by signifies primarily near.
3. Through, or with, denoting the agent, means, instrument or cause; as, "a city is destroyed by fire;" "profit is made by commerce;" "to take by force." This use answers to that of the Latin per, through, denoting a passing, acting, agency, or instrumentality.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? ....... (SMILE).

101G.

 

[101G]

@Peterlag
thanks pete, 101G can kill two birds with your first stone. taking your first point,

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#1. the answer, Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

this one verse just killed both unitarians, and trinitarians all at the same time. this is a perfect example of "Diversified Oneness", God, a plurality of ONE Person.

101G.