The Trinity The Touchstone of Truth

Obadiah said:
God didn't make his triunity known to us by informing us of facts about it.
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A doctrine so essential to the faith wouldn’t be left to our own imagination and judgment.

In fact God doesn’t want us to lean on our own understanding of things:

“Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.” (Proverbs 3:5, KJV)

Obadiah said:
Instead, he made it known through the incarnation of the Son and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. The revelation of the Trinity took place in those acts
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I have been reading the Holy Bible frequently for over a decade and I would never know anything about a “triune god” unless I interacted with men.
 
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mikesw said:
you are trying to justify your own interpretation
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I haven’t interpreted or provided commentary to any scripture I have posted.

mikesw said:
You seem to be able to make up anything you feel like by disregarding what the text says.
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What doctrine am I promoting that doesn’t have scripture support?

And I can post scripture without any commentary to expose the trinity as inconclusive.
 
Micaiah said:
I haven’t interpreted or provided commentary to any scripture I have posted.



What doctrine am I promoting that doesn’t have scripture support?

And I can post scripture without any commentary to expose the trinity as inconclusive.
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That is called guerilla warfare. Instead of considering scripture's testimony as a whole, you provide your Goliath verse and hope that defeats the full testimony of scripture. You do that while denying the verses speaking of Jesus's identity as God and Christ.
 
The debate on Trinity has lasted centuries, and we are still here debating it.
But one thing is to debate on whether the doctrine is true or not, and a different thing is to debate on whether it is "the touchstone of truth", as the title of the thread says, or a requisite for salvation.

Even if the doctrine of the Trinity is true, there is absolutely no evidence at all that God has ever required from a sinner to understand, confess or teach the doctrine of Trinity as a requisite to forgive his sins and chance his life.

If the doctrine of Trinity is true, it must be a very secondary truth, irrelevant to the relationship between God and men, irrelevant to his salvation and happiness.
 
Micaiah said:
That’s not what I’m doing, mike.:confused:
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Ok. If this is just a level of understanding or confusion, that is a different issue. If you are still trying to learn, that is decent. You won't likely have some argument sufficient to replace the Trinitarian doctrine. One guy wrote a yet-unpublished book to reject the Trinity but his discussion on Jesus existing before Abraham was to speculate this could be interdimensional. That hardly is a natural inference.
 
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Pancho Frijoles said:
The debate on Trinity has lasted centuries, and we are still here debating it.
But one thing is to debate on whether the doctrine is true or not, and a different thing is to debate on whether it is "the touchstone of truth", as the title of the thread says, or a requisite for salvation.

Even if the doctrine of the Trinity is true, there is absolutely no evidence at all that God has ever required from a sinner to understand, confess or teach the doctrine of Trinity as a requisite to forgive his sins and chance his life.

If the doctrine of Trinity is true, it must be a very secondary truth, irrelevant to the relationship between God and men, irrelevant to his salvation and happiness.
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I don't quite see the recognition of the Trinity as a requirement of justification of a person. However, I do see lots of room for bad doctrines by church organizations that do not recognize the details about God.
 
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The doctrine of the Trinity enriches our understanding of salvation. It shows us that salvation is not primarily about escaping hell or having our guilt relieved. Salvation is being rescued and healed by the loving embrace of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Salvation is about deliverance from the alienation of sin and death for communion with God and all of the blessings that go with this. Trinitarian salvation is communion. It calls us out of our self-centered existence to the embrace of another, the circle of love that we come to know as the loving embrace of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

This embrace focuses on Jesus, on becoming adopted into his body and into his sonship. We receive this adoption by placing our faith in Jesus and by receiving his Holy Spirit, the Spirit that rested on him and that he poured forth on us from his heavenly Father. This is the Spirit that allows us to cry out through Jesus to the Father as our Father and that testifies to our spirits that we are indeed participants in Jesus’ sonship.

This is the Spirit that will one day raise us from the dead in a way similar to Jesus’ resurrection so that we can be fully filled with the Spirit of life in the image of Jesus. At this conclusion of our salvation, we will be fully incorporated into the loving communion of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Now we see God only dimly but then “face to face” 1 Corinthians 13:12
 
Rowan said:
The doctrine of the Trinity enriches our understanding of salvation.
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On the contrary:

“…thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.” (2 Timothy 3:15, KJV)
 
Rowan said:
The doctrine of the Trinity enriches our understanding of salvation. It shows us that salvation is not primarily about escaping hell or having our guilt relieved. Salvation is being rescued and healed by the loving embrace of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Salvation is about deliverance from the alienation of sin and death for communion with God and all of the blessings that go with this. Trinitarian salvation is communion. It calls us out of our self-centered existence to the embrace of another, the circle of love that we come to know as the loving embrace of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

This embrace focuses on Jesus, on becoming adopted into his body and into his sonship. We receive this adoption by placing our faith in Jesus and by receiving his Holy Spirit, the Spirit that rested on him and that he poured forth on us from his heavenly Father. This is the Spirit that allows us to cry out through Jesus to the Father as our Father and that testifies to our spirits that we are indeed participants in Jesus’ sonship.

This is the Spirit that will one day raise us from the dead in a way similar to Jesus’ resurrection so that we can be fully filled with the Spirit of life in the image of Jesus. At this conclusion of our salvation, we will be fully incorporated into the loving communion of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Now we see God only dimly but then “face to face” 1 Corinthians 13:12
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Is all that commentary a copy and paste?

Or did you come up with all of that on the fly?
 
Coming in for a landing....

I love the richer understanding of salvation that the Trinitarian doctrine allows. The doctrine of the trinity also answers a deep-seated need within us to be healed relationally. We are, after all, relational beings through and through.
 
Rowan said:
Coming in for a landing....

I love the richer understanding of salvation that the Trinitarian doctrine allows. The doctrine of the trinity also answers a deep-seated need within us to be healed relationally. We are, after all, relational beings through and through.
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What is the kingdom of God? Briefly put, the kingdom of God is the sovereign reign of the triune God in the world.
 
Rowan said:
I love the richer understanding of salvation that the Trinitarian doctrine allows
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It’s quite fascinating that the scriptures weren’t adequate for you in this regard…

As for me:

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:16-17, KJV)

Perhaps if the scripture read this way instead you’d have biblical support for what you allege:

“All scripture Trinitarianism is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:16-17, KJV)
 
Micaiah said:
It’s quite fascinating that the scriptures weren’t adequate for you in this regard…

As for me:

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:16-17, KJV)

Perhaps if the scripture read this way instead you’d have biblical support for what you allege:

“All scripture Trinitarianism is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:16-17, KJV)
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Salvation is all about Jesus... He is God. The Bible teaches us that Jesus is really and truly God, the second person of the Trinity. And it teaches that amazing fact over and over again. People sometimes think that the doctrine of the deity of Christ, that Jesus is God, is based on only a few passages that are controversial. But I want you to know that this doctrine is found over and over again in Scripture.

Jesus is Lord Romans 10:9
 
Micaiah said:
Are you going to quote the Holy Bible at some point?

:unsure:
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Well only because you asked so politely. Okay here's my favorite.

John 14:10. I am in the Father and the Father is in me.

Though there is a complete mutual indwelling of the Father and the Son, the Father and the Son remain distinct persons within the Trinity, as does the Holy Spirit

10 Key Bible Verses on the Trinity​


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10 Key Bible Verses on the Trinity

All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
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