Who is a monotheist?

[Pancho Frijoles]

I am not scared of your dishonest and unbiblical condemnation of me.

I'm glad to know that you are not scared.
I'm not scared either.
Are you scared, @Studyman? I think you are not.
So, if none of us is scared, let's not scare others.

"There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love."
(1 John 4:18)

 

[Runningman]

Read how God predestined people and events for the further revealing of God as Trinity:

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Thread 'The Predestination of the Greek OT, the Greek NT, and the Greek Language for the revealing of the Holy Trinity.'

Mar 8, 2025

Belief in the Holy Trinity was not a human invention but was predestined by God, carefully prepared through history, language, and culture. The Greek language, the Greek OT (Septuagint), and Hellenistic Jewish thought all point to a divine setup for revealing the Holy Trinity in the fullness of time.

God Prepared Greek as the Perfect Theological Tool – Long before Christ, God orchestrated events so that Greek would become the dominant language of the ancient world. This wasn’t random. Greek had the precise vocabulary necessary to express complex theological truths, ensuring that the...

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You posted what seems to be a screen shot of something you had said somewhere else. Your opening statement suggested that the "holy trinity" is not a human invention, but actually it is and this is probably one of the biggest reasons why it is such a weak position. Scripture is self-referencing and yet there is no mention about our God being a trinity. In order for you to be able to successfully attach something to scripture, you must be able to prove that what you're saying is plausible. So you're going to need evidence. God is never described in any way, shape, form or fashion in Scripture as the Athanasian creed does.

 

[Runningman]

People using your weird logic would call Jesus and the Bible anti-Semitic.

We are not "anti-sinners' by calling out sin. We are not "anti-health" by calling out sickness.

Love speaks the truth, love entails honesty, love calls out sin.

Only some kind of twisted worldly secular humanism thinks calling out sin is "hating people."

The Jews are not wrong about who God is. You think the Old Testament is wrong about God never being described as a Trinity?

I have a question and I hope you'll answer. Do you believe YHWH is the only God and there are no other gods as the Old Testament repeatedly says? Check out these verses when you get a chance please:

Isaiah 43:10,11
Isaiah 44:6
Isaiah 45:2,5,6
Isaiah 46:9
Deuteronomy 4:35,39
Deuteronomy 6:4
1 Kings 8:60
Jeremiah 10:10

 

[Runningman]

I have two comments on your post:

1. Nobody is speaking about "sin" in this thread. Believing that God is a Council of Three Persons is not a sin. It is just an intellectual mistake. If @Runningman thinks it is a sin, he is mistaken. If you believe that believing that God is One Person is a sin, you are mistaken.

2. Hating Jews can take many forms: for example, approving the perpetual torture of Jews for being Jews. Only a small fraction of Nazis killed Jews with their own hands. Most just considered the arrest, forced labor or massacre a well-deserved outcome for Jews. Furthermore, most could not provide a thoughtful, structured explanation of their anti-Semitic sentiments. They just trust their leaders... the Führer in particular. All that attitude was the result of hatred. By the same token, some Evangelical Christians cannot provide a reasonable explanation on why Jews who die as Jews have in perpetual torture a well-deserved reward. They just said they trust God. If God does it, He must have good reasons for it. Jews made their choice and they chose hell.

Yes and the leader of the protestant church is Martin Luther, a very staunch antisemitic hack.

 

[Dizerner]

The Jews are not wrong about who God is. You think the Old Testament is wrong about God never being described as a Trinity?

You are misunderstanding the point I made. When I say "the Jews" mean "some" Jews, and you are taking it to mean "all" Jews.

The majority of Jews in the OT rejected the Tanach's message.

I have a question and I hope you'll answer. Do you believe YHWH is the only God and there are no other gods as the Old Testament repeatedly says? Check out these verses when you get a chance please:

Of course. Instead of just beating around the bush with "subtle" questions just read my full defense here:

Thread 'I wish I were a Unitarian...'

Sep 9, 2023

So i could discover for the first time the awe and wonder of how God became a man to redeem me!

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[Pancho Frijoles]

GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION: WHO IS A MONOTHEIST?


A theism that claims that a family of 3 divine persons should be worshiped is no different from a theism that claims that 3 gods should be worshiped:

• Three "divine persons" mean 3 different minds, 3 volitive agents.
• Three "gods" mean 3 different minds, 3 volitive agents.

The only way a Christian can uphold the Trinity in a logical way is to recognize that God is a Collective... a kind of Family.
That would solve the logical aspect of the problem.
However, it would not solve the scriptural and empirical (eg, practical) aspect of the problem.

• Biblically, God is presented and treated as a He or a Thou. Both singular (In modern English, the singular and plural forms of the second person have become the same, but in other languages, including Greek koine, they are not).
• Empirically, when Trinitarians cry out to God, or think in God, or expect something from God, they do it as Unitarians.

Monotheism, since its origins, implied thinking in God as One Person. The anthropomorphism of God derives exactly from this basic premise.
Look at the famous painting of Michel Angelo. God creating Adam. Adam = One person. God = One person.