dwight92070
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Rev. 1:17; Rev. 2:8; Rev. 5:13-14; and Hebrews 1:8-9 show your error in reasoning.
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dwight92070
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It's obviously not the same. Were you born supernaturally with God impregnating your mother to conceive you? Were you called the Christ, Savior, Lord, and the Son of God, at your birth? Do all the angels worship you? Does the Father call you God? Heb. 1:8-9 Can you forgive the sins of other people against God? Did you die for the sins of all mankind?
MTMattie
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Explain this from you viewpoint.
Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son He says,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.
Psalm 45:6-7
Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom. / You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you above your companions with the oil of joy.
Isaiah 9:6-7
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government will be upon His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. / Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish and sustain it with justice and righteousness from that time and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of Hosts will accomplish this.
And do not taint the meanings of these varied verses with some jumbled NWT translation of any of them.
Rev chapter 1 is clear=1:1 A revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him= 2 beings, the giver = the one true God, the receiver = the one true Gods son, not God. But you outright refuse to believe simple English for yourself.
You must have missed Hebrews 1:4 in your twisting of truth. It is 100% clear that if Jesus was not given the name Jesus from God he is equal to the angels. Psalm 45:7 backs that truth-- You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness, that is why God-your God anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your (((partners( companions) = angels
Read post 744-745
Yes at Isaiah it says his name= not him.
Runningman
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Let's start at the beginning. Since Hebrews 1:8 is quoted from Psalm 45:6 and Psalm 45:6 is talking about a human... did you know elohim also refers to judges, magistrates, or kings? Psalm 45 describes a king with a queen. The word "god" in Hebrew doesn't always carry the same idea because there are a variety of usages for it. Hebrews 1:8 is about Jesus being a judge.
Runningman
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Possibly, yes. We don't have a Bible that speaks directly about us. God isn't bothered by all of the documentation that you require to believe. He works on His own schedule.
Peterlag
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The Christ, Savior, Lord, and the Son of God at birth, and having angels worship him does not make him God. And the Father never referred to Jesus as God.
DavidTree
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JESUS the man.
the WORD that was GOD created a human body to dwell in called JESUS
GOD the FATHER of our LORD Jesus Christ
The FATHER is GOD and the SON is also GOD = which is why THEY share the THRONE = TOGETHER = Rev 3:21
Rev 3:21
The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with Me on My throne,
as I also conquered and sat down with My Father on His throne.
God the FATHER is GOD and the WORD is GOD and the WORD dwells inside the body called JESUS = Rev 1:6-8
To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him.
And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord,
“who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Verse 8 = the LORD Jesus Christ is called the Alpha and the Omega and the ALMIGHTY
In your scenario that will make the 144,000 God if Jesus is God because he sits on a throne= not wise reasoning. Jehovah is called Alpha and Omega, not Jesus.
The kings and priests are the 144,000, not the great crowd.
Runningman
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The human Jesus is the same person who is the Son of God. Yes? If not, you are in modalism.
MTMattie
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I notice you always quote from the errant NWT bible.
You never use any from the start if translations to the latest.
Hebrews 1:4 says
Interlinear: By so much superior having become to the angels as much as more excellent beyong theirs He has inherited a name
Peshitta... One translation from Aramaic... and while I would have loved to provide an English translation for the Ethiopian Bible, which is said to be the oldest bible I do not have Hebrews in my references from there.
4And This One is altogether greater than the Angels, according to how much more excellent than theirs is The Name which he possesses.
And another Aramaic translation
Lamsa Bible
And he is altogether greater than the angels, just as the name he has inherited is a more excellent name than theirs.
I do not have the Ethopian bible which is said to be the oldest in print, The NT books were codified in 170 AD except for Hebrews, James, 1 & 2 Peter and 3 John. These books were added shortly after 170 AD
but I do have access to the Amharic which is in an Ethiopian Dialect, which says
Amharic,New Testament, World English Bible
Hebrews 1
4having become so much better than the angels, as he has inherited a more excellent name than they have.And just for fun have a look at the Latin Vulgate
| 4 | tanto melior angelis effectus quanto differentius prae illis nomen hereditavit Being made so much better than the angels as he hath inherited a more excellent name than they. |
And I posted these so you cannot say they all came from the RCC which is so popular with all of you.
YOU have been lied to. You follow a religion and bible that deliberately twists scriptures that counter what was originally talked about and written. You need to ask yourself why anyone would do such a thing.
MTMattie
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Such a contradiction...
the one TRUE GOD ,THE RECEIVER = the one TRUE GODS son
You just admitted that God received the revelation, and that one true God is the Son which does - Jesus
the one true God , THE RECEIVER.... means God received the revelation.
I knew you could do it.... lets have a party to celebrate
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101G
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GINOLJC, to all.'
My God can you read? and or UNDERSTAND English? he alone..... and BY, BY, BY, Himself. if it's ONE CREATOR, (which is correct), and he was "ALONE", the there is NO ONE to go through. that's common sense. which means he went through himself. meaning it is BY, BY, BY, HIMSELF...... else you have two creators.
remember what you said,/quoted, "But for us, There is one God, the Father, by whom all things were created, and for whom we live.
And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created, and through whom we live."
if this is two separate and distinct persons then you have two God, for the Lord Jesus is the POWER, the WISDOM of God, meaning he is GOD, because there was no one else to go through, he was BY himself.
if one cannot understand plain English, then they are lost without hope.
101G
101G
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if it's misleading, then your NWT is the biggest leader in OPEN DECEPTION. case in point, your NWT say Jehovah sent this angel to John in Revelation 22:6 but in the same chapter and only 10 verses later, (Revelation 22:16), your NWT say Jesus sent his angel. but you declare that Jesus is not Jehovah.
see how you all have deceived your own selves?
101G.
DavidTree
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DavidTree
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No human became the Son of God.
God became a man = for us
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”
But when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was.
Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.
And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus.
He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.
And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”
Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”
And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. Now indeed, Elizabeth your relative has also conceived a son in her old age; and this is now the sixth month for her who was called barren.
For with God nothing will be impossible.”
DavidTree
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Willful resistance to the TRUTH always leads to error.
MTMattie
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A human that could cast out demons. That could raise the dead. That could heal the sick.. (although some claim to do that today) .
That COULD WALK ON WATER. That could be raised from the dead, appear to people, and then go sit on the Fathers right hand.
WOWWZERS..... I bet even Wheaties cant claim to do that for people.
Wonder what he ate... this human ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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