The Trinity The Touchstone of Truth

[101G]

Please post the scripture that says a mere human became the only begotten Son of God

ONLY begotten..... How? ..... (smile).
Luke 3:38 "Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God."

now, we can discuss.

101G

 

[DavidTree]

Personal opinions ... 101G can careless about. now 101G gave scripture, and definition. see, ALONE means, having no one else present: that just KILLED your whole belief system.

so Personal opinions are useless against 101G.......NOW TRY AGAIN,,,, WITH SCRIPTURE

101G.

Your own personal opinion gave a single scripture = Isaiah 44:24

Isaiah 44:24 was DEFINED by other scriptures, which are the Controlling and Definitive TRUTH, which you reject.

Standing on one scripture and refusing the other DEFINING Scriptures is a form of stubburness and idolatry.

The catholics, watchtower/jw cult, pre-trib rapture cult and cessation of gifts cult all walk in the same rebellion.

 

[DavidTree]

ONLY begotten..... How? ..... (smile).
Luke 3:38 "Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God."

now, we can discuss.

101G

Do not remain ignorant.

Adam was made from the dust of the earth and given a soul when the LORD breathed into him.

Now post the scripture whereby a mere human can become the ONLY begotten Son of GOD.

 

[101G]

Isaiah 44:24 was DEFINED by other scriptures, which are the Controlling and Definitive TRUTH, which you reject.

101G gave many, but maybe you didn't understand. now is the person in Isaiah 44:24 the same one person who Made All thing as the one person in John 1:3 yes or ?

101G

 

[101G]

Adam was made from the dust of the earth and given a soul when the LORD breathed into him.

was not Christ made from the dust of the Earth... Mary/Eve. and not every BREATH in a body is BREATHED by God? let's see. Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:"

and NOTE DAVE, it was the "LORD" that created the Heavens and the Earth, and gave BREATH and spirit.

101G.

 

[101G]

@DavidTree, while you're struggling to answer 101G first question, work on this one also, since you said 101G is based on only one Scripture, Hebrews 1:10 "And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:" now this, Zechariah 12:1 "The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him."

who laid the foundation of the EARTH, was it the "LORD" as Zechariah 12:1 state, or was it the Lord, as Hebrews 1:10 states.

so Dave who Laid the FOUNDATION of the EARTH? your answer please.

101G.

 

[MTMattie]

In your scenario that will make the 144,000 God if Jesus is God because he sits on a throne= not wise reasoning. Jehovah is called Alpha and Omega, not Jesus.
The kings and priests are the 144,000, not the great crowd.

So Mormon like.

They teach something similar.

Lest you doubt. Exaltation is a belief in Mormonism that after death some people will reach the highest level of salvation in the celestial kingdom and eternally live in God's presence, continue as families, become gods, create worlds, and make spirit children over whom they will govern.
The LDS Church teaches that through exaltation believers may become joint-heirs with Jesus Christ.

 

[Keiw1]

I notice you always quote from the errant NWT bible.

You never use any from the start if translations to the latest.

Hebrews 1:4 says

Interlinear: By so much superior having become to the angels as much as more excellent beyong theirs He has inherited a name

Peshitta... One translation from Aramaic... and while I would have loved to provide an English translation for the Ethiopian Bible, which is said to be the oldest bible I do not have Hebrews in my references from there.

4And This One is altogether greater than the Angels, according to how much more excellent than theirs is The Name which he possesses.

And another Aramaic translation

Lamsa Bible
And he is altogether greater than the angels, just as the name he has inherited is a more excellent name than theirs.

I do not have the Ethopian bible which is said to be the oldest in print, The NT books were codified in 170 AD except for Hebrews, James, 1 & 2 Peter and 3 John. These books were added shortly after 170 AD

but I do have access to the Amharic which is in an Ethiopian Dialect, which says

Amharic,New Testament, World English Bible​

Hebrews 1​

4having become so much better than the angels, as he has inherited a more excellent name than they have.

And just for fun have a look at the Latin Vulgate

4	tanto melior angelis effectus quanto differentius prae illis nomen hereditavit Being made so much better than the angels as he hath inherited a more excellent name than they.

And I posted these so you cannot say they all came from the RCC which is so popular with all of you.

YOU have been lied to. You follow a religion and bible that deliberately twists scriptures that counter what was originally talked about and written. You need to ask yourself why anyone would do such a thing.

No difference in them-If Jesus wasn't given the name Jesus he wasn't better than the angels as Psalm 45:7 shows as well.

 

[Keiw1]

Such a contradiction...

the one TRUE GOD ,THE RECEIVER = the one TRUE GODS son

You just admitted that God received the revelation, and that one true God is the Son which does - Jesus

the one true God , THE RECEIVER.... means God received the revelation.

View attachment 1321 I knew you could do it.... lets have a party to celebrate

The giver = the true God,( i stated) Now i see why trinitarians are so confused.

 

[Keiw1]

if it's misleading, then your NWT is the biggest leader in OPEN DECEPTION. case in point, your NWT say Jehovah sent this angel to John in Revelation 22:6 but in the same chapter and only 10 verses later, (Revelation 22:16), your NWT say Jesus sent his angel. but you declare that Jesus is not Jehovah.

see how you all have deceived your own selves?

101G.

Both Jehovah and Jesus can send an angel=100% fact.

 

[Keiw1]

Denying the TRUTH always leads to blindness.

Read Matthew 4:1-4

I agree. Its 100% fact trinity religions believe twisted dogma over Jesus' truth.

 

[Keiw1]

So Mormon like.

They teach something similar.

Lest you doubt. Exaltation is a belief in Mormonism that after death some people will reach the highest level of salvation in the celestial kingdom and eternally live in God's presence, continue as families, become gods, create worlds, and make spirit children over whom they will govern.
The LDS Church teaches that through exaltation believers may become joint-heirs with Jesus Christ.

The bible teaches=144,000 are co heirs.

 

[Runningman]

You are again denying the evidence of Peter praying to Jesus to save him. And it was by the third person of the Trinity that the Apostles could do these works. There are never the powers inherent to being humans. You are suggesting not on a Unitarian heresy but also a word of faith heresy. That is the problem expected when people deny the testimony of scripture or, at least, are confused in their reading of scripture.

Adding to scripture is naughty. You said Peter prayed to Jesus when the word for prayer isn't there. Stop digging. Trinitarianism is heresy.

 

[Runningman]

Please post the scripture that says a mere human became the only begotten Son of God

Here's one. You do believe that Jesus was flesh and begotten of the Father don't you? Then the man Jesus is the son of God.

John 1 KJV
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[Runningman]

this is the problem. men have no clue to the term "Son of Man" and "Son of God". The Son of Man, (Spirit), came out of Heaven. The Son of God (flesh) came out of Mary.

see Isaiah 9:6 and UNDERSTAND.

101G.

I know why you cannot believe the human Jesus is the Son of God. Do you know why or do you want me to tell you? Yes, this is one of those "Come to Jesus" talks.

 

[DavidTree]

Here's one. You do believe that Jesus was flesh and begotten of the Father don't you? Then the man Jesus is the son of God.

John 1 KJV
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 1:14 is CORRECT

According to John chapter 1 - Which occurred FIRST?

a.) The man named JESUS became the only begotten Son of God
b.) The Word that was GOD became a man and was named JESUS

 

[DavidTree]

I agree. Its 100% fact trinity religions believe twisted dogma over Jesus' truth.

Elohim is 100% FACT = PLURAL

GENESIS is the WORD of GOD and is 100% FACT

100% FACT = Genesis 1:1 Elohim = PLURAL
100% FACT = Genesis 1:26 = Elohim/PLURAL = "Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness" = PLURAL = THREE
100% FACT = Watchtower/jehobah false witnesses = the Word was "a god"

Repent and turn to the Only Savior who can SAVE you = the LORD Jesus Christ

 

[mikesw]

Adding to scripture is naughty. You said Peter prayed to Jesus when the word for prayer isn't there. Stop digging. Trinitarianism is heresy.

So you say that any explanation of scripture that is not a copy and paste from scripture is somehow wrong? That sounds like a very narrow philosophical preference rather than representing how people normally convey truths. It is like a judge telling a person improperly held on trial for murder cannot provide the evidence of his innocence.
you do not know that a prayer is a request? Funny someone who follows a heresy calls orthodox views a heresy. Not very logical there.
Even if you deny that sideline topic that has no real significance, Peter still calls to Jesus to save him. There was no disciple that Peter called upon nor would there be reason for Peter to think someone other than Jesus could help. Jesus was not mere human like some heretics try to share. Jesus was not just some human that knew something magical. Jesus is divine in the Godhead. Anything else is denying the testimony of scripture.

 

[101G]

Both Jehovah and Jesus can send an angel=100% fact.

100% false here, because only ONE sent .... "HIS" ... angel to John. Listen, Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"
he and his is ONLY "ONE" PERSON. and only ONE PERSON sent ... "his" ... angel to John. and the angel identified who sent him. scripture, the angel speaking, Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."

so, ONLY "ONE" PERSON sent ... "HIS" .... angel to John and it was the "Lord God". ...... of the holy prophets, which the NWT say is Jehovah. (see your BIG ERROR now?) the Lord God of the holy prophets is the Lord Jesus who sent .... "HIS" angel. scripture, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

which again shows ONLY one Person in verse 1.

you fellas has been LIED TO. some of you need to ask your leaders why your bibles say Jesus sent his angel, and your same bibles say Jehovah sent his angel. you need to ask. ........ FEAR NOT, THE LORD WILL BE WITH YOU WHEN YOU ASK. Just have FAITH.

so either you can fess up and repent, or just keep on going in a belief that is a LIE, and meet the Lord Jesus with that LIE., now exposed, still attached to you. for it is written in the NWT, that Jesus is the one who sent his angel. at least your NWT got is right...... Jesus is your Jehovah. but why are you all still believing the ERROR that Jesus is not Jehovah ..... when in essence your own bible is telling you that the Lord God, Jesus, is Jehovah? Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel now, one other thing, since you know now by your own bible, JESUS is God, which answer the question in Revelation 1:1 that God, (JESUS), gave this revelation to John HOW? by sending it to John by his angel. so, there is ONLY "ONE" person in Revelation 1:1

Oh this is too easy not to be understood. one would have to pay to miss this.

101G

 

[101G]

I know why you cannot believe the human Jesus is the Son of God. Do you know why or do you want me to tell you? Yes, this is one of those "Come to Jesus" talks.

LOL, please do and tell us how the Son of God and the Son of Man is the same, but yet different when concerning Isaiah 9:6.... YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

101G.