The Trinity The Touchstone of Truth

[dwight92070]

Here back in heaven is a spirit--Rev 3:12--he still has a God. God does not have a God.

"Therefore God, your God has anointed you ..." Hebrews 1:9 So the Father, God, calls Jesus "God" and that He -Jesus - has a God.

So I guess both you and Peterlag are wrong again! It's too bad that you can't accept what the Bible says.

God was the Lord in the Old Testament. He made Jesus the Lord after He raised him from the dead.

Acts 2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

You're not a good learner. I told you Jesus was Lord and Christ at His birth, but I guess you reject that scripture too.

 

[dwight92070]

God made Jesus both Lord and Christ. God would not have to make him both Lord and Christ if he was already Lord and Christ.

Acts 2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

I guess you'll have to talk to Luke about that when you get to heaven - if you get there. Luke 2:11

 

[mikesw]

"Therefore God, your God has anointed you ..." Hebrews 1:9 So the Father, God, calls Jesus "God" and that He -Jesus - has a God.

So I guess both you and Peterlag are wrong again! It's too bad that you can't accept what the Bible says.

You're not a good learner. I told you Jesus was Lord and Christ at His birth, but I guess you reject that scripture too.

I think I had the following idea before. The idea is that the NT writers knew about the Father, the Son, and the Spirit as one in the Godhead but they had not figured out how to organize their thoughts about the Godhead. So they wrote the NT in the way that came to mind (or the way something was preached) in convenient ways -- in whatever they needed primarily to convey in each sentence. I show that Paul and the Galatians were aware of Jesus in the Godhead in the summary of my analysis on Gal 3:19-20 in this forum.

 

[Peterlag]

"Therefore God, your God has anointed you ..." Hebrews 1:9 So the Father, God, calls Jesus "God" and that He -Jesus - has a God.

So I guess both you and Peterlag are wrong again! It's too bad that you can't accept what the Bible says.

You're not a good learner. I told you Jesus was Lord and Christ at His birth, but I guess you reject that scripture too.

Peter’s teaching to the Jews on the Day of Pentecost says “God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.” (Acts 2:36). God must have greater authority than Jesus in order to make him the "Lord." Christ would have already been the “Lord” if he was God—in which case God would not need to “make” him the "Lord." It's also taught that Jesus must be God because he's called the “Lord.” The Greek word for Lord is kurios and is a masculine title of respect and nobility, which is why we see many others besides God and Jesus being called the “Lord."

• Property owners are called the "Lord" (Matthew 20:8) kurios is “owner” in the NIV.
• Heads of households are called the "Lord" (Mark 13:35) kuriosis "owner."
• Slave owners were called the "Lord" (Matthew 10:24) kuriosis "master."
• Husbands were called the "Lord" (1 Peter 3:6) kurios is "master" in the NIV.
• A son called his father the "Lord" (Matthew 21:30) kuriosis "sir."
• The Roman Emperor was called the "Lord" (Acts 25:26) kurios is "His Majesty."
• Roman authorities were called the "Lord" (Matthew 27:63) kurios is "sir."

 

[Peterlag]

Wrong again! "Who is like the Lord our God, who is enthroned on high, who humbles Himself to behold the things that are in heaven and in the earth? Psalm 113:6

I guess if He humbled Himself in the Old Testament, He could humble Himself in the New Testament too.

It amazing how easy it is to refute this person who thinks he knows the Bible.

Yes I do know the new Testament well and I know God and Him humbling Himself does not fit with the scope of the Scriptures so I looked at other Bibles to see what the verse is talking about. He did not humble Himself to you. It appears to mean He brought Himself to look at the earth. Here's 21 Bibles that don't use the humble word...

New International Version
who stoops down to look on the heavens and the earth?

New Living Translation
He stoops to look down on heaven and on earth.

English Standard Version
who looks far down on the heavens and the earth?

New American Standard Bible
Who looks far down to The heavens and the earth?

Christian Standard Bible
who stoops down to look on the heavens and the earth?

Holman Christian Standard Bible
who stoops down to look on the heavens and the earth?

Contemporary English Version
and he looks down to see the heavens and the earth.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
He bends down to look at heaven and earth.

Good News Translation
but he bends down to see the heavens and the earth.

International Standard Version
yet stooping low to observe the sky and the earth?

NET Bible
He bends down to look at the sky and the earth.

New Heart English Bible
Who stoops down to see in heaven and in the earth?

World English Bible
who stoops down to see in heaven and in the earth?

Douay-Rheims Bible
and looketh down on the low things in heaven and in earth?

Catholic Public Domain Version
and who gazes upon the humble things in heaven and on earth?

New American Bible
looking down on heaven and earth?

New Revised Standard Version
who looks far down on the heavens and the earth?

Lamsa Bible
Yet who beholds the things that are in the deep, in heaven, and in the earth!

Peshitta Holy Bible Translated
And he sees into the depths in Heaven and in the Earth.

JPS Tanakh 1917
That looketh down low Upon heaven and upon the earth?

Brenton Septuagint Translation
and yet looks upon the low things in heaven, and on the earth:

 

[Peterlag]

is this the ONE? Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." WHO IS THI Emmanuel? JESUS, thank you. is it clear now.

Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." IS THIS NOT THE SAME ONE "JESUS" WHO IS EMMANUEL? YES, CASE CLOSED.

argue with yourself, or argue with God, for you're rebuked.

101G.

Peoples names are not a teaching on anything. My name is Peter. Does that mean I'm really a stone and not a human because my father named me Peter?

 

[101G]

Rev 1::1= A revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him. = 2 beings mentioned, the giver = God, the receiver = Jesus-- There is one God.
Jesus sat at the right hand of God--he did not sit at his own right hand.

GINOLJC, to all
K, there is only one person in Revelation 1:1, not two being, if so you have 3 Gods. the Lord Jesus is God in the ECHAD of EQUAL SHARING. this is the G243 ALLOS the Bible speak of.

and yes, the Right hand of God is JESUS, who is God. (see Isaiah 63:5). and to back this up, in Revelation 1:1 someone sent his angel to John correct, and you say in 1:1 it's God who gave the Lord Jesus, the receiver the Revelation, correct. well, the Lord Jesus is God, and here's why. the angel who was sent told us who sent him. scripture, the angel who was sent is speaking to John, Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."

so, the Lord God of the Holy Prophets. .... sent his angel. many say the Lord God of the holy prophets is the God of the OT, Jehovah. meaning the Father, well the bible disagree with that assessment. scripture, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

so, the Lord God of the holy prophets is the Lord Jesus.

conclusion, the Lord Jesus is the Father, now in glorious flesh and bone. .

101G

 

[101G]

Peoples names are not a teaching on anything. My name is Peter. Does that mean I'm really a stone and not a human because my father named me Peter?

ok, let's go by the BIBLE again. in Revelation 1:1 God gave this Revelation to the Lord Jesus, Right. well, the angel who was sent said who sent him. scripture, Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done." the angel say the Lord God... got that.... the Lord God, sent him.
now, let's see who the Lord God is that sent him, the angel to John.
Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

so, the Lord Jesus is the Lord ...... "God" ....... sent his angel.

well Pete, the bible calls the Lord Jesus ....... God. read those verses again. Jesus is God..

101G.

 

[101G]

"Is there a Elohim/PLURAL beside ME"

ME is THREE

and how many is "ME?" only ONE person, in Singular, "I" form. listen to the definition of "ME". used by a speaker to refer to himself or herself as the object of a verb or preposition. Compare with I.

so you're reproved again.

101G.

 

[DavidTree]

and how many is "ME?" only ONE person, in Singular, "I" form. listen to the definition of "ME". used by a speaker to refer to himself or herself as the object of a verb or preposition. Compare with I.

so you're reproved again.

101G.

You cannot compare the Supernatural Eternal Elohim to our finite being
We MUST believe every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God
Faith in the Word precedes understanding


Us , Our , Our
He , He , He
Father/Word/Holy Spirit = Echad Elohim

 

[101G]

You cannot compare the Supernatural Eternal Elohim to our finite being
We MUST believe every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God
Faith in the Word precedes understanding


Us , Our , Our
He , He , He
Father/Word/Holy Spirit = Echad Elohim

"You cannot compare the Supernatural Eternal Elohim to our finite being" your finite being? .... lol, lol, lol, Oh dear.

"Us , Our , Our", that is HE in the ECHAD... lol. oh My.

"We MUST believe every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God"
glad you said that, LISTEN to the Word of God out of his mouth. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
the LORD, who was "ALONE" and "BY HIM SELF" is only one person and not three. for ALONE means, "having no one else present". which eliminates your other false two persons.
you said you believe every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God. do you believe that God, the one person "I" was ALONE? if not then you lied.

101G.

 

[DavidTree]

"You cannot compare the Supernatural Eternal Elohim to our finite being" your finite being? .... lol, lol, lol, Oh dear.

"Us , Our , Our", that is HE in the ECHAD... lol. oh My.

"We MUST believe every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God"
glad you said that, LISTEN to the Word of God out of his mouth. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
the LORD, who was "ALONE" and "BY HIM SELF" is only one person and not three. for ALONE means, "having no one else present". which eliminates your other false two persons.
you said you believe every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God. do you believe that God, the one person "I" was ALONE? if not then you lied.

101G.

ALONE = FATHER/WORD/HOLY SPIRIT

 

[Keiw1]

"Therefore God, your God has anointed you ..." Hebrews 1:9 So the Father, God, calls Jesus "God" and that He -Jesus - has a God.

So I guess both you and Peterlag are wrong again! It's too bad that you can't accept what the Bible says.

You're not a good learner. I told you Jesus was Lord and Christ at His birth, but I guess you reject that scripture too.

You are twisting it, It is saying that God is Jesus' God, not the way you are reasoning.

 

[Keiw1]

GINOLJC, to all
K, there is only one person in Revelation 1:1, not two being, if so you have 3 Gods. the Lord Jesus is God in the ECHAD of EQUAL SHARING. this is the G243 ALLOS the Bible speak of.

and yes, the Right hand of God is JESUS, who is God. (see Isaiah 63:5). and to back this up, in Revelation 1:1 someone sent his angel to John correct, and you say in 1:1 it's God who gave the Lord Jesus, the receiver the Revelation, correct. well, the Lord Jesus is God, and here's why. the angel who was sent told us who sent him. scripture, the angel who was sent is speaking to John, Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."

so, the Lord God of the Holy Prophets. .... sent his angel. many say the Lord God of the holy prophets is the God of the OT, Jehovah. meaning the Father, well the bible disagree with that assessment. scripture, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

so, the Lord God of the holy prophets is the Lord Jesus.

conclusion, the Lord Jesus is the Father, now in glorious flesh and bone. .

101G

All who can understrand 4th grade English sees 2 beings at Rev 1:1

 

[101G]

ALONE = FATHER/WORD/HOLY SPIRIT

Alone do not = 3 person, please read and UNDERSTAND whyat alone means, just Google it, or used Microsoft Bing.

thanks in advance.

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

ok, let's go by the BIBLE again. in Revelation 1:1 God gave this Revelation to the Lord Jesus, Right. well, the angel who was sent said who sent him. scripture, Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done." the angel say the Lord God... got that.... the Lord God, sent him.
now, let's see who the Lord God is that sent him, the angel to John.
Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

so, the Lord Jesus is the Lord ...... "God" ....... sent his angel.

well Pete, the bible calls the Lord Jesus ....... God. read those verses again. Jesus is God..

101G.

I don't do Revelation mostly because hardly anyone understands the book. It's written in figures of speech and mostly pertains only to Israel. I know Christians think the book is all about them, but it's about the Jewish culture.

 

[101G]

All who can understrand 4th grade English sees 2 beings at Rev 1:1

well, go back to HEAD START, which is the first principle of the oracle of God. Let 101G break it down in 4th. grade style, just for you. Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

101G's first question to you, "When was this revelation given? a week before? a month in advance, or a year, WHEN? did the bible say when? see, you assume it was two person standing next to each other.

101G second question, was the wetter handed from one person to another, or was it sent by carrier? again, you assume in your mind that two persons standing next to each other.

no matter the time, or the method used, you believe the term God means Father, the God of the OT, and the other person Jesus the receiver. is this not what you assume? yes, ASSUMED.

now the truth .... 4th. grade style. your first mistake is this the term "God" consist .... according to you 3/three person. so right off the bat you ERROR.. but sticking with your assumption that "God" here is the Father lets see who sent his angel to John and then we will see if it's two person in Revelation 1:1.


FACT #1. someone sent ... "HIS" .... angel to John correct. and the angel who was sent tells us who sent him. scripture, Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done." The Lord God of the holy prophets? yes, the God of the OT. whom you say is the Father, for you're not alone in that belief. even the J.W. put it in print by saying the Lord God is Jehovah who sent his angel. lets see who sent his angel? scripture, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." so, it's the Lord Jesus who is the Lord God of the OT, the GOD of the holy prophets.

Fact #2. Knowing that the Lord God is JESUS, he also said, Revelation 22:13 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." the first and the Last is the God of the OT. scripture, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." Bingo, the same one person.

now, a 4th grader will understand this.

101G.

 

[101G]

I don't do Revelation mostly because hardly anyone understands the book. It's written in figures of speech and mostly pertains only to Israel. I know Christians think the book is all about them, but it's about the Jewish culture.

since you don't do revelation, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."

when did God come and save us? read that verse carefully. looking for your answer.

101G

 

[DavidTree]

Alone do not = 3 person, please read and UNDERSTAND whyat alone means, just Google it, or used Microsoft Bing.

thanks in advance.

101G.

ALONE to ELOHIM is FATHER/WORD/HOLY SPIRIT for THEY are ONE

 

[Peterlag]

since you don't do revelation, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."

when did God come and save us? read that verse carefully. looking for your answer.

101G

If I told those in another country who were being held against their will that the Untied State President will come and save you. That would not mean Trump personally would be going to that country to rescue them.