DavidTree
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Hebrew word for 'God' is Elohim = PLURAL = gods, rulers, divine ones
When THEY Speak THEY Speak as ONE
The Trinity The Touchstone of Truth
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When THEY Speak THEY Speak as ONE
civic
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Amen !
DavidTree
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When we submit to the whole of Scripture it is not hard to SEE
Our understanding is limited but the Word that was God and became flesh grants to us His Understanding when we are open to receiving.
All TRUTH comes down from Above.
Our intellect cannot ascend UP until the LIGHT is given and we cling to the LIGHT = Thy word is Truth,
Psalm 119:105 - Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
JESUS Says: IAM the Light of the world = My FATHER and I are ONE = God is Light, in Him is no darkness
If we allow ALL of Scripture to play it's Music within our hearts and minds, we begin to SEE more clearly each day.
SHALOM
Runningman
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Amen again. I find that I agree with almost everything you say.
How could Jesus inherently be Lord and Christ if he had to be made those things? This reads like Jesus obtained a status that he previously didn't have by someone who is not himself. Therefore God and Jesus aren't the same being or person. I know you already know the answer, but I would love to see how they think about this.
For example, If I was made a CEO of a company, would it means that I had always been CEO since the day I had first joined the company as a very low-ranking tech?
Runningman
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Will you submit to Scripture?
Deuteronomy 4:35 “Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the Lord he is God; THERE IS NONE ELSE beside him.”
Deuteronomy 6:4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD (יְהֹוָה Yĕhovah) our God (אֱלֹהִים ‘elohiym), the LORD (יְהֹוָה Yĕhovah) is one (אֶחָד ‘echad) “
Ps 83:18 “That men may know that thou, whose name ALONE is JEHOVAH [Strong’s-H3068], art the MOST HIGH over all the earth.”
Isa 42:8 “I am the LORD [Yĕhovah, yeh·hō·vä’ Strong’s-H3068]: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.”
Isa 45:5-6 “I am the LORD [Strong’s-H3068], and THERE IS NONE ELSE, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.”
Jeremiah 10:10 “But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.”
Mal. 2:10 “Have we not all ONE FATHER? Hath not ONE GOD [אֱלֹהִים ‘elohiym, el·ō·hēm’; Strongs H430] created us? Why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?”
John 17:1, 3 Father… And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Runningman
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DavidTree
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I waited patiently for the Lord; = Isaiah 7:14 , Isa 40:1-5 , Luke 1:26-37
And He inclined to me,
And heard my cry.
2He also brought me up out of a horrible pit,
Out of the miry clay,
And set my feet upon a rock, = Psalm 18:31 , 1 Corinthians 10:4
And established my steps.
3He has put a new song in my mouth—
Praise to our God;
Many will see it and fear,
And will trust in the Lord.
4Blessed is that man who makes the Lord his trust, = John 3:1-21
And does not respect the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.
5Many, O Lord my God, are Your wonderful works = John 1:3
Which You have done;
And Your thoughts toward us
Cannot be recounted to You in order;
If I would declare and speak of them, = John 21:25
They are more than can be numbered.
6Sacrifice and offering You did not desire;
My ears You have opened.
Burnt offering and sin offering You did not require.
7Then I said, “Behold, I come; = the Word became flesh = Hebrews 10:5
In the scroll of the book it is written of me.
8I delight to do Your will, O my God, = GOSPEL
And Your law is within my heart.” = YAHshua
Peterlag
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There's no thinking with trinity folks because they already bought a concept that makes no sense and then they go to the Bible to try to find data to support what they already believe. The trinity is not biblical. It's only what's in their mind. At any time when they cannot deal with the logic is when they say well, anything is possible with God, or God did not mean for us to fully understand because we are only human, or God emptied Himself of is God stuff and He got it back later. There's no Trinity. The verses that are used to try to teach it are all taken out of context, or not understood how the words were used in the culture they were written in, or from a bad translation. It's an evil Catholic concept that was sold to the world mostly by the power of the sword. Thomas is a great example. The guy saw the resurrected Christ standing in front of him which had to send him in a mild state of shock and he yelled out something like my Lord and my God who did this. The trinity no matter how many times you tell them this come back with no he called him God.
Peterlag
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There are many descriptions, titles, and names for God in the Bible and I would like to add God’s proper name is “Yahweh”which occurs more than 6,000 times in the Hebrew Old Testament and is generally translated as “LORD.” God made Jesus the Lord when He raised him from the dead. So yes there are 2 Lords mentioned in the Bible. One is God and the other is now the Christ. What trinity folks do is say there's only 1 Lord so Jesus must be God.Listen closely, is not the LORD, the First and the Last?, yes, let's see it. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." the LORD ONE PERSON, "I" the LORD, is with the Last correct. let's see if the First the LORD" is a separate person from the Last. scripture, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." what! I the LORD is the First and the Last? yes, is not the "Lord" Jesus the First and the Last? yes, the same one Person.
a second witness, let every word be establish by a second witness. the LORD, all caps. Laid the foundation of the Earth. but did not the bible say the "Lord" laid the foundation of the Earth? yes, listen Hebrews 1:10 "And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:" the LORD, all caps laid the foundation of the earth. scripture, Zechariah 12:1 "The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him."
well let's do two more witness, just to bring the point home, Isaiah 48:13 "Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together."
one more, Psalms 102:25 "Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands."
now, if the LORD and the Lord is not the same one person then you have two Gods, and that's by definition polytheism.
101G.
LOL, the word "I" is not Triune, it's single.... try again.
101G.
P.S. that trinity is dead as a door nail...... (smile)....... the Lord Jesus is calling.... REPENT....
Peterlag
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There's no Scripture that says God emptied Himself or that God humbled Himself. None.
