DavidTree
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The WORD that was GOD and became flesh has a FATHER who is GOD.
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The Trinity The Touchstone of Truth
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101G
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if true then you have two Gods and that's anti bible. and if Jesus is "MADE" God then he's not God, and the bible is Clear, God is a Spirit.
and if Jesus is the Spirit then he's the same God of the OT, because Jesus raised up his OWN Self, see John 2: 18-22. so that refute your statement that Jesus is a MADE God... how ridiculous.
a God that is made is an IDOL.
101G.
101G
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Acts 2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ". YES, IN FLESH BONE AND BLOOD. and ? .........
was it not Jesus, (Spirit), who made all things, per John 1:3?
please know the difference of God as the Ordinal First, (Spirit) and the Ordinal Last., (Flesh and blood).
think before you reply.
101G.
101G
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but a question, "was it not one PERSON who made all things and this ONE PERSON was ALONE and BY HIMSELF". /think, if he was "ALONE", and "BY HIMSELF" then the other two are not God because they are not OMNIPRESENT.
because the term "ALONE" means.... having no one else present. and if the other two are not present, then they are not God. think about it.
101G.
DavidTree
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Where does the scripture say HE was 'alone' ???
Notice the THREE
Genesis 1:1-3
1 - In the beginning Elohim(Plural) created the heavens and the earth.
2 - Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep.
And the Spirit of Elohim(Plural) was hovering over the surface of the waters.
3 - And Elohim Said(Word), “Let there be light,” and there was light.
Genesis 1:26 - "Let Us make man in Our image according to Our Likeness" = 3
DavidTree
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The Scriptures CONFIRM that "the Lord" of the Old Testament and "the Lord" of the New Testament are the same Lord
Yes. Seperating out Lord, from God, to make Jesus into a lesser being than God, is kind of like saying a mid 2000s Toyota Corolla is not a mid 2000s Toyota Allex.
Or more alike..the old 1990s Mazda 323 and Ford Laser
The same cars with a different titles.
Like in the OT.. God has different titles in the way He interacts with people.
Going to the Hebrew.. you see Eloheim in His overarching..all powerful role. When He is interacting with Israel in a more personal way.. its Yahweh.
DavidTree
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Yahweh YAHshua HaMashiach = Lord Jesus ChristYes. Seperating out Lord, from God, to make Jesus into a lesser being than God, is kind of like saying a mid 2000s Toyota Corolla is not a mid 2000s Toyota Allex.
Or more alike..the old 1990s Mazda 323 and Ford Laser
The same cars with a different titles.
Like in the OT.. God has different titles in the way He interacts with people.
Going to the Hebrew.. you see Eloheim in His overarching..all powerful role. When He is interacting with Israel in a more personal way.. its Yahweh.
No matter the language, there is only One NAME by which men can be SAVED = Acts 4:12
Peterlag
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God made Jesus both Lord and Christ. God would not have to make him both Lord and Christ if he was already Lord and Christ.
Acts 2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Peterlag
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No Jesus was not Spirit who made all things. God is Spirit who made all things. Jesus is not God.
Peterlag
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Lord: Mighty, principal ruler. He who assumes and exercises the power, while really possesses it as unlimited. Refers to Christ, and denotes his position of master in relation to his people, as he who has ownership and authority over them. Has the right and authority to institute, and command.
Philippians 2:11
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
The title "Lord" (Greek, Kurious) as Kittel's observes, means "one who has full authority." In the Old Testament, God alone had "full authority" and filled both functions of Creator (Elohim) and Lord (Jehovah). Jehovah is used in connection with men with whom He has entered into some kind of covenant, starting with Adam in Genesis 2:7, and including Israel. Several redemptive characteristics and divine functions are associated with the sacred name Jehovah (Yahweh), including giving righteousness (Jeremiah 23:6), healing (Exodus 15:26), sanctification (Exodus 31:13), providing (Genesis 22:14), protection from enemies (Exodus 17:15), giving peace (Judges 6:24), and being continually present (Ezekiel 48:35). These functions can be assumed and/or delegated by persons having the authority. God has delegated many, if not all of these divine functions to Jesus Christ to share in as "Lord."
101G
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Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
Alone means .... having no one else present. please look it up.
now By HIMSELF, see that word .... "By", is means, using the Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of American English,
BY, prep.
1. Near; close; as, sit by me; that house stands by a river.
[L. pressus.]
2. Near, in motion; as, to move, go or pass by a church. But it seems, in other phrases,or with a verb in the past time, to signify past, gone beyond. "The procession is gone by;" "the hour is gone by;" "John went by." We now use past as an equivalent word. The procession is gone past. Gone by is in strictness tautology, as now used; but I apprehend by signifies primarily near.
3. Through, or with, denoting the agent, means, instrument or cause; as, "a city is destroyed by fire;" "profit is made by commerce;" "to take by force." This use answers to that of the Latin per, through, denoting a passing, acting, agency, or instrumentality.
take note of definition #3 above, "by" means through or with.... that word through just killed that notion that Jesus went "through" or "by" God in creating everything as in Colossians 1:16 "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:"
yes, "by him?" yes, by himself and NO ONE ELSE. just as Isaiah 44:24 states, "ALONE" and just as John 1:3 clearly states, "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." yes, BY HIM. ONE PERSON.
and without doubt, the Lord Jesus in flesh said the same thing about himself before he came in flesh, (as Spirit) .. LISTEN, Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"
see David, there was no flesh bone and blood at Genesis 1:1 and only ONE PERSON at Genesis 1:26 made man male and female. just read the next verse, for the US and the OUR was to COME. and he did in the ECHAD at John 1:1, via the virgin birth.
hope this helped, please just re-read this post.... for clarity. if you have any question, just ask.
101G.
DavidTree
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Sure HE would, for the Word that was God EMPTIED Himself and came to earth as a man.
Therefore HE humbled Himself to the death of the Cross.
The Triune God was alone.
DavidTree
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When the LORD says "alone" HE means no other gods/angels
But even if I judge, My judgment is true, because I am not alone, but I and the Father, having sent Me.
You still do not understand..........Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness
All things created by and thru the FATHER/WORD/HOLY SPIRIT = 3
101G
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Listen closely, is not the LORD, the First and the Last?, yes, let's see it. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." the LORD ONE PERSON, "I" the LORD, is with the Last correct. let's see if the First the LORD" is a separate person from the Last. scripture, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." what! I the LORD is the First and the Last? yes, is not the "Lord" Jesus the First and the Last? yes, the same one Person.
a second witness, let every word be establish by a second witness. the LORD, all caps. Laid the foundation of the Earth. but did not the bible say the "Lord" laid the foundation of the Earth? yes, listen Hebrews 1:10 "And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:" the LORD, all caps laid the foundation of the earth. scripture, Zechariah 12:1 "The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him."
well let's do two more witness, just to bring the point home, Isaiah 48:13 "Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together."
one more, Psalms 102:25 "Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands."
now, if the LORD and the Lord is not the same one person then you have two Gods, and that's by definition polytheism.
101G.
LOL, the word "I" is not Triune, it's single.... try again.
101G.
P.S. that trinity is dead as a door nail...... (smile)...
.... the Lord Jesus is calling.... REPENT....
101G
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LISTEN, Isaiah 44:8 "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any." he get both idols, and any other "God" as he is for the first term "God" is,
H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m.
אֱלֹהַּ 'eloahh (el-o'-ah) [shortened (rarely)]
1. one with supreme strength and ability.
2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator, Yahweh by name.
3. a supreme entity, a god-like creature (that is, one of God's supreme creations, or one of man's inventions).
[probably prolonged (emphat.) from H410]
KJV: God, god.
just as in Genesis 1:1
and that second term "God" is ,
H6697 צוּר tsuwr (tsoor) n-m.
צֻר tsur (tsoor)
1. (properly) a cliff (or sharp rock, as compressed).
2. (generally) a rock or boulder.
3. (figuratively) a refuge.
4. (also) an edge (as precipitous).
[from H6696]
KJV: edge, X (mighty) God (one), rock, X sharp, stone, X strength, X strong.
Root(s): H6696
See also: H1049
yelp, he got both false Gods, the one you and many serve, the three headed false God.
look don't argue with 101G argue with God. .... ok. read em and weep.
101G
101G
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101G just love this kind of reply. "The Triune God was alone?". so he, he, he, was by himself? Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" by HIMSELF? ... lol, lol, lol, Oh my.
Fred, why want you look up what "BY HIMSELF" means, you can find this at Merriam-Webster online dictionary. please read it. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/by himself
101G.
101G
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to all.
101G know that the truth hurts, but if one was taught a certain doctrine all their life it's hard to believe something else..... only please just consider ... with an open mind and heart. just examine the scriptures for themselves. argument is only within ourselves.
so, please just examine the scriptures..... they are not changing.
101G.
101G know that the truth hurts, but if one was taught a certain doctrine all their life it's hard to believe something else..... only please just consider ... with an open mind and heart. just examine the scriptures for themselves. argument is only within ourselves.
so, please just examine the scriptures..... they are not changing.
101G.
101G
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to all,
the scriptures, are not in conflict with each other. the evidence is clear. there is only one person who is God, and none else. this is an everlasting truth. instead of arguing internally, just do as God ask. GO TO THE BEGINNING AND LEARN ANEW. quit trying to make the rear confirm with the front. only God can do this, let him lead you
understand, Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"
101G.
the scriptures, are not in conflict with each other. the evidence is clear. there is only one person who is God, and none else. this is an everlasting truth. instead of arguing internally, just do as God ask. GO TO THE BEGINNING AND LEARN ANEW. quit trying to make the rear confirm with the front. only God can do this, let him lead you
understand, Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"
101G.
