The Trinity made easy

Bobby Walker said:
1 John 1:8-10 ESVIf we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
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Verses 8 and 10 are the same as Romans 3: 23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." John is not saying that you can never not sin as verse 8 implies. You know that don't you? Many denominations are taught verse 8 is about born again Christians! ROFL
 
As a Christian you could feel hatred towards someone as long as you recognize it and don't hold on to it. Confess your sin and ask for forgiveness.

There's that holy spirit conviction that comes upon you and makes you see the errors of your ways.

Called repentance, we all fall short of the glory of God.
 
charismaticlady said:
Can you see that because the type of sin is "lawless" it is not something we "practice." There is another type of sin that is a lesser sin having to do with immature fruit. It would be more appropriate to add practice to it, but definitely not to lawlessness. The Catholics call these two types of sin mortal sins (sins unto death) and venial sins (sins not unto death), 1 John 5:16-17. But we shouldn't be adding or taking away anything from the Word of God.
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I can't buy that one, sin as sin. I know there's some sense that people accept but they're wrong.
 
charismaticlady said:
Verses 8 and 10 are the same as Romans 3: 23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." John is not saying that you can never not sin as verse 8 implies. You know that don't you? Many denominations are taught verse 8 is about born again Christians! ROFL
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Of course it's about saved Christians look at what it says.

1 John 1:8-10 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Do you think of unsaved person could Just confess their sins and they would be cleansed from all unrighteousness. You know it doesn't work that way you have to be saved in order for that to happen.

People that believe in sinless perfection just don't want to hear that.

Careful don't hurt yourself rolling around on the floor.
 
Lily said:
So if you're a Christian and someone does something atrocious like murder one of your children and you feel Hatred toward them

“Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in Him” (1 John 3:15)

Would not apply to you?
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I cannot hate. It's impossible because I'm in Christ.

Galatians 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
 
The Apostle John made it quite clear that it is impossible to worship the Father and to deny the Son at the same time. No can do.

The “god” worshipped by Jews, Muslims, Unitarians, Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Worldwide Church of God, The Way International, the Assemblies of Yahweh, the Millennial Dawn, the Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ, United Pentecostals, and the list goes on, is NOT the Father according to 1 John 2:23:

Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.

To make sure that we did not miss this point, John put the proposition in both a negative and positive form:

Negative: Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father;

Positive: the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.

See how easy that is?

The idea that all religions worship the Father just under different names is an idea totally foreign to the Bible. Only the Trinitarian can truly worship God the Father because only the Trinitarian worships the Son and the Holy Spirit.
 
Bobby Walker said:
That's wonderful I'm so proud of you, Now let's get back to talking about the trinity.
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I find it interesting that the Church Epistles were authored by both God and Christ and we see this in 1 Corinthians 1:3 that says “Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.” There's a lot of Scripture that shows Jesus to be separate and distinct from“God” which is what the people of the time believed and expected. The Trinitarian explanation of these verses is that Jesus is God and so“God” means “the Father” when Jesus speaks of himself and “God.” But the Bible never says that. It's only because Trinitarian doctrine asserts that Jesus is God that the assumption is made hat “God” means “the Father” when Jesus and God appear together.

Jesus prayed to God “not my will,but yours, be done” because Jesus and God have separate wills (Luke 22:42; John 5:30). They would have one will if Jesus and the Father are the same “one God.” Trinitarian doctrine claims that Luke is referring to the human will of Jesus, and not his divine will, but that is problematic because the Bible never says anything like that or even hints that Jesus had two wills in conflict with each other inside him allowing one to be human and the other to be divine.

Also the pronouns in the Bible that refer to “God” are singular and there are lots of them. “The Hebrew Bible and the New Testament contain well over twenty thousand pronouns and verbs describing the One God” (Anthony Buzzard and Charles Hunting, The Doctrine of the Trinity: Christianity’s Self-inflicted Wound,International Scholars Publications, New York, 1998, p. 17). Singular pronouns include “I” “my” and “he.” We would expect it to say “For God so loved the world that they gave the Father’s only begotten Son….” if “God” were composed of threeco-equal beings who each had their own mind and together agreed to send Christ. The fact that the pronouns in the Bible refer to “God” as a singular being is also evidence that there is no Trinity.
 
You know what's even better when describing The Trinity and pronouns? Participles, “the hidden treasure”. Thats the unity of the Trinity. The three persons are one being. They always function in harmony together, with one will and one purpose. They are not three individual entities that cooperate well together. They are only a single entity. And they have always been one being with three persons.

That is outside of our human experience, which makes trying to grasp the triune nature of God so difficult. But don't give up trying to understand, keep pushing through.
 
charismaticlady said:
If you meant sin is sin that is not how God views sin. I'm on God's side and prefer His interpretation.
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God views sin as any thought or action that falls short of His will (Billy Graham’s definition). Sin is an act of disobedience to God’s perfect standard, and it separates us from Him (Isaiah 59:2).

God hates sin because it lessens our love for Him and leads us away from a relationship with Him (1 John 2:15-16). Sin has consequences, and God cannot be mocked (Galatians 6:7; Numbers 32:23).

Sorry I didn't mean to ignore the warning
 
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Bobby Walker said:
God views sin as any thought or action that falls short of His will (Billy Graham’s definition). Sin is an act of disobedience to God’s perfect standard, and it separates us from Him (Isaiah 59:2).

God hates sin because it lessens our love for Him and leads us away from a relationship with Him (1 John 2:15-16). Sin has consequences, and God cannot be mocked (Galatians 6:7; Numbers 32:23).

Sorry I didn't mean to ignore the warning
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We see in the Old Testament that there was sacrifices that could cover some types of sin, but no sacrifice for others. God commanded that the offender of those be stoned to death.

16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.
 
charismaticlady said:
We see in the Old Testament that there was sacrifices that could cover some types of sin, but no sacrifice for others. God commanded that the offender of those be stoned to death.

16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.
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I think you may have missed this one.

A warning was given earlier this morning about staying on topic. It seems to be being ignored.

Any more posts that are off topic in this thread will be deleted.
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